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cobradvm

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Did anyone see the article in the latest issue of 5.0 for a CAI for an S197 that doesn't require a tune to get it to work? I think the thing cost five or six hundred!! Up in the right hand corner they have this teeny little graph that you can't read a thing on, and then claim that it made some impressive gains in the mid range, but never show any actual figures on it - methinks it doesn't work worth a crap - especially when it also leans the AF out as well!! I can get two new accufab throttle bodies for my fox for less than that thing costs. They have install photos, and a big two page writeup on it, but not a single figure to compare before and after - lame.
 

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cobradvm said:
Did anyone see the article in the latest issue of 5.0 for a CAI for an S197 that doesn't require a tune to get it to work? I think the thing cost five or six hundred!! Up in the right hand corner they have this teeny little graph that you can't read a thing on, and then claim that it made some impressive gains in the mid range, but never show any actual figures on it - methinks it doesn't work worth a crap - especially when it also leans the AF out as well!! I can get two new accufab throttle bodies for my fox for less than that thing costs. They have install photos, and a big two page writeup on it, but not a single figure to compare before and after - lame.
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Bear in mind that the mags are given the parts by the manufacturers for those articles. When was the last time you saw a write-up on something where the conclusion was "stay away from this product"? Installs of stuff like that are nothing more than paid advertising for the product in question. More than likely, that cold air kit did little, if anything and they had to do it the way they did to make the advertiser happy.
 

25thmustang

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Oh well I will continue to buy it and hope to see nice foxes in there. I don't mind reading about nice cars no matter what year or body style.

Yes that was my car in the Feb magazine. Kinda weak pic and in the back, but it's a start!
 

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Amen 25th, buy them all and read my sons knowledge is power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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woodyy24 said:
i got the new 5.0 off the newstand, it came with an 08 calender and theres not a single fox featured.
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Yeah, I know! I was like WTF!!!
 

LtDavis

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The calendar was by Lethal Performance and features all their customer's cars. Lethal doesn't sell fox body parts so therefore no fox bodies in the calendar.
 

riceslayer302

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wythors said:
Many letters to the editor have been written on this subject and printed in both MMFF and 5.0. They just blow them off and put the people down as being stuck in the past.
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i wrote to them complaining about it and they changed my whole e-mail around to make me sound retarded, then slammed me with some snotty remarks. after a stunt ide like to get my hands on the fat bastard editor of 5.0 and knock him back into the 80's.
 

25thmustang

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The editors do read forums and go to the events, trust me!
 

fiveohwblow

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PUNISHER RACING said:
If you remember correcly 5.0 mag was originally Super Ford which always had tired iron and never featured a fox car, it was the fact that fox cars were the next big thing and were taken over that got them to jump ship. They are all great mags and I subscribe to 5.0, MM&FF, MM, and Race Pages because they are all in there own right kick azz mags, so Grab em' up you might just learn something!!!!!
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I have never read so much wisdom in one post about magazines and the trends. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. I am sick of these stang owners pitchin a bitch about the current trends. I read and subscribe to mustang magazines by choice. I dont brag about it, so if you stopped reading it, there really is no need to brag about it. Just do it and be done with it! Pick yourselves up some civic mags, or whiners monthly... seriously...
 

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If you don't want to hear about it, don't read the thread...seriously...
 

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cevtv said:
If you don't want to hear about it, don't read the thread...seriously...
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I normally wouldnt say anything but I am tired of seeing this same thread over and over again. People lack knowledge and therefore wisdom about the truths and realities and Punsher Racing brought it to the conversation. I commented on his insight.
 

25thmustang

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cevtv said:
If you don't want to hear about it, don't read the thread...seriously...
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And to those who want to see more foxes in the magazines, go build a magazine car...

 

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Play nice.
 
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Hopefully this won't sound too terse, as i am in a bad mood from something else, but here it goes.

My name is Steve Baur and i am the associate editor for Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords. Here are some facts about our magazine and the people that work there.

Editor Evan Smith and Tech Editor Mike Galimi both own fox bodies. I have four between my wife and i, my three brothers all have one apiece and my three closest friends all have one apiece. We all love Fox bodies. I'm sure in the early years of MM&FF that people complained there wasn't enough old Mustangs in the book, so it figures that people today would complain that there is too much of the newer cars.

Our editor painstakingly picks a balance of makes and models each month. Sometimes it works out. Other times it doesn't and you have a Modular heavy issue every now and then. There are a lot of reasons for this that are related to the business of publishing magazines that we won't get into, but i'm here to assure you that we really do try to achieve a perfect balance.

In every issue of 2007, there was at least one fox body story, which was largely the buildup of my '93 Cobra. There were plenty of other Fox body stories too. I just wish one of these naysayers would go back and add them up before making such assumptions without concrete evidence. Our February 2008 issue starts the modification of a '92 coupe, and you'll be seeing much more of that car in the months to come. We are also coming out in 2008 with a 5.0-liter one shot magazine that will be newsstand only.

All of the Mustang magazines will be heavy on one model or the other from time to time. It's unavoidable. As for a Fox body only magazine, if that would be successful, then i would have thought that someone would have started an Internet site about it already, but that hasn't seemed to happen or at least take off in popularity.

As vocal as the 5.0 contingent is, the Modular guys are just as vocal if not more so, because they seem to rely on the Internet far more. So we hear it from both/all sides. That's one of the reasons for the balance in the mag. Psychologically, if you see a model you don't like, it usually reaffirms your favoritism of another, which is good for both the consumer and the magazine. Trust us, we would love to satisfy everyone all of the time, but trying to appease all of the 120,000 readers each month is a tall task, and probably not something many would envy.

We always want to hear what you want in our mag. We obviously want to keep you reading it, but keep in mind that we are trying to satisfy Muscle Mustangs and Fast Ford enthusiasts. I promise you that we'll always try to have a little bit of everything, whether its 5.0-liters, 4.6s, V6, Thunderbirds, Mark VIIIs, Merkurs, or whatever.

Please don't hesitate to email any of the MM&FF staff members your questions, comments, concerns, ideas and car feature submissions. For those that are frustrated and start these threads, please call or email us with your concerns. We're listening. While some say we "blow them off", i assure you we take each letter seriously and give it the consideration it deserves. I would highly suggest you cut out the middle men and email our editor directly, but all of us are easily approached whether its on the net or at the show or track. We love our jobs and the magazine we produce, and glad to have you reading it.

Thanks for your time,

Steve
 

25thmustang

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See, I TOLD you the editors read the forums...



Nice post Steve.
 

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Go get em Steve, top job on the rag too keep it comin'
 

Notchbck93

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TurboSteveB said:
Hopefully this won't sound too terse, as i am in a bad mood from something else, but here it goes.

My name is Steve Baur and i am the associate editor for Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords. Here are some facts about our magazine and the people that work there.

Editor Evan Smith and Tech Editor Mike Galimi both own fox bodies. I have four between my wife and i, my three brothers all have one apiece and my three closest friends all have one apiece. We all love Fox bodies. I'm sure in the early years of MM&FF that people complained there wasn't enough old Mustangs in the book, so it figures that people today would complain that there is too much of the newer cars.

Our editor painstakingly picks a balance of makes and models each month. Sometimes it works out. Other times it doesn't and you have a Modular heavy issue every now and then. There are a lot of reasons for this that are related to the business of publishing magazines that we won't get into, but i'm here to assure you that we really do try to achieve a perfect balance.

In every issue of 2007, there was at least one fox body story, which was largely the buildup of my '93 Cobra. There were plenty of other Fox body stories too. I just wish one of these naysayers would go back and add them up before making such assumptions without concrete evidence. Our February 2008 issue starts the modification of a '92 coupe, and you'll be seeing much more of that car in the months to come. We are also coming out in 2008 with a 5.0-liter one shot magazine that will be newsstand only.

All of the Mustang magazines will be heavy on one model or the other from time to time. It's unavoidable. As for a Fox body only magazine, if that would be successful, then i would have thought that someone would have started an Internet site about it already, but that hasn't seemed to happen or at least take off in popularity.

As vocal as the 5.0 contingent is, the Modular guys are just as vocal if not more so, because they seem to rely on the Internet far more. So we hear it from both/all sides. That's one of the reasons for the balance in the mag. Psychologically, if you see a model you don't like, it usually reaffirms your favoritism of another, which is good for both the consumer and the magazine. Trust us, we would love to satisfy everyone all of the time, but trying to appease all of the 120,000 readers each month is a tall task, and probably not something many would envy.

We always want to hear what you want in our mag. We obviously want to keep you reading it, but keep in mind that we are trying to satisfy Muscle Mustangs and Fast Ford enthusiasts. I promise you that we'll always try to have a little bit of everything, whether its 5.0-liters, 4.6s, V6, Thunderbirds, Mark VIIIs, Merkurs, or whatever.

Please don't hesitate to email any of the MM&FF staff members your questions, comments, concerns, ideas and car feature submissions. For those that are frustrated and start these threads, please call or email us with your concerns. We're listening. While some say we "blow them off", i assure you we take each letter seriously and give it the consideration it deserves. I would highly suggest you cut out the middle men and email our editor directly, but all of us are easily approached whether its on the net or at the show or track. We love our jobs and the magazine we produce, and glad to have you reading it.

Thanks for your time,

Steve
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Stevo-

As a long time reader I have to admit that most fox stories have been covered and for those of us who grew up during the era, have kept the R&D files in a safe place in which to re-live the glory days.


I think an interesting topic would be a recipe build...

Every kid who buys a Fox comes on here and asks what does it take to beat a new z06 corvette, GTO, blah blah you get the point.


Or, so you just bought a fox and realized family sedans can leave you in the dust.

Or how about a project Junkyard Dog... Use some Explorer parts and see how far a kid could get with junkyard parts. Grab a truck 3.73 gear, home port GT40P's bellmouth throttle body, dial in base timing, adj tps, tuning with FPR...things you do when you have more time than money on your hands.

Show kids how to do a leak down test, what to look for etc.

5L's seem to be a joke on the street to all the turbo/sprayn 4cyl cars on the street, but most mags now show some crazy 5L with 40G invested, not the average kids car.

Those of us who bought foxes years ago and managed to hang onto them through marriage, kids, house payments blah blah, are pretty much just driving and enjoying what we built a good 8 years ago.

What I built ten years ago and what I would build today would be two different animals, but technology has changed. I remember when Trick Flow's were junk because they consumed oil, until they were redesigned.
 

fiveohwblow

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TurboSteveB said:
Hopefully this won't sound too terse, as i am in a bad mood from something else, but here it goes.

My name is Steve Baur and i am the associate editor for Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords. Here are some facts about our magazine and the people that work there.

Editor Evan Smith and Tech Editor Mike Galimi both own fox bodies. I have four between my wife and i, my three brothers all have one apiece and my three closest friends all have one apiece. We all love Fox bodies. I'm sure in the early years of MM&FF that people complained there wasn't enough old Mustangs in the book, so it figures that people today would complain that there is too much of the newer cars.

Our editor painstakingly picks a balance of makes and models each month. Sometimes it works out. Other times it doesn't and you have a Modular heavy issue every now and then. There are a lot of reasons for this that are related to the business of publishing magazines that we won't get into, but i'm here to assure you that we really do try to achieve a perfect balance.

In every issue of 2007, there was at least one fox body story, which was largely the buildup of my '93 Cobra. There were plenty of other Fox body stories too. I just wish one of these naysayers would go back and add them up before making such assumptions without concrete evidence. Our February 2008 issue starts the modification of a '92 coupe, and you'll be seeing much more of that car in the months to come. We are also coming out in 2008 with a 5.0-liter one shot magazine that will be newsstand only.

All of the Mustang magazines will be heavy on one model or the other from time to time. It's unavoidable. As for a Fox body only magazine, if that would be successful, then i would have thought that someone would have started an Internet site about it already, but that hasn't seemed to happen or at least take off in popularity.

As vocal as the 5.0 contingent is, the Modular guys are just as vocal if not more so, because they seem to rely on the Internet far more. So we hear it from both/all sides. That's one of the reasons for the balance in the mag. Psychologically, if you see a model you don't like, it usually reaffirms your favoritism of another, which is good for both the consumer and the magazine. Trust us, we would love to satisfy everyone all of the time, but trying to appease all of the 120,000 readers each month is a tall task, and probably not something many would envy.

We always want to hear what you want in our mag. We obviously want to keep you reading it, but keep in mind that we are trying to satisfy Muscle Mustangs and Fast Ford enthusiasts. I promise you that we'll always try to have a little bit of everything, whether its 5.0-liters, 4.6s, V6, Thunderbirds, Mark VIIIs, Merkurs, or whatever.

Please don't hesitate to email any of the MM&FF staff members your questions, comments, concerns, ideas and car feature submissions. For those that are frustrated and start these threads, please call or email us with your concerns. We're listening. While some say we "blow them off", i assure you we take each letter seriously and give it the consideration it deserves. I would highly suggest you cut out the middle men and email our editor directly, but all of us are easily approached whether its on the net or at the show or track. We love our jobs and the magazine we produce, and glad to have you reading it.

Thanks for your time,

Steve
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Steve,

Thank you for your response to this thread as it confirms what I and a select few others have been saying. Cut the magazines some slack. It seems to me the politics of the Mustang society are unilateraly treated the same as national politics; too many insults resulting from assumptions. There appears to me to be a lack of clarivoyance on what really goes on in your world as an editor. Maybe if you produced this letter you wrote to us to the entire reading populace for a couple months it would do you some good?
 
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I like that last idea. I know our editor touches on it from time to time in his column, but perhaps it would be better read in the letters to the editor section. I'll see if he goes for it.

Every kid who buys a Fox comes on here and asks what does it take to beat a new z06 corvette, GTO, blah blah you get the point.

Or, so you just bought a fox and realized family sedans can leave you in the dust.

Or how about a project Junkyard Dog... Use some Explorer parts and see how far a kid could get with junkyard parts. Grab a truck 3.73 gear, home port GT40P's bellmouth throttle body, dial in base timing, adj tps, tuning with FPR...things you do when you have more time than money on your hands.


These are all good ideas that i will pass on to our editor. I sort of angled for the package thing with my wife's 331sc buildup--331 ways to waste an LS1. Perhaps there needs to be more emphasis on the competition between the two models in the future. The junkyard idea is one we're always kicking around, and possibly something i might be able to make happen if my new project gets approved.

What was said about holding on to the cars is true. I have a friend who has a coupe that still has original hi-ports, an X-cam and Texas Turbo Long-tube headers. He has upgraded from nitrous to a blower, but most of the technology is still vintage.
 

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Mr. Baur: Setting aside the fact that your subscription department sent me to collections for not renewing my subscription, a question I would like to ask is "why does a one-year subscription to MMFF cost three times what a subscription to 5.0 does?"

My reasons for not reupping were the subscription price and the fact that your mag offers very little 5.0/SN95 in comparison to the amount of S197 coverage. As far as the price goes, with all the advertising in MMFF, why stick it to the subscriber so hard?
 
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