25thmustang said:Who made you an expert, you clearly dont have ANY clue here...
I have Stock heads (unported with a set of valves), Stock cam, and a Cobra intake. I dont make 280 rwhp, and I run with LS1s on my street tires! I dont have crazy 4.56 gears, I have 3.73s. I dont have a gutted race car, but all the power options, leather, CD player, and get 24 mpg on average now!
You obviousely havent tried to run with an LS1 with less than H/C/I or you would realize it isnt out of reach of a mild, NON H/C/I combo!
If were talking 1/4 mile race, equal drivers, your going to need 250+ rwhp to run with a stock LS1 (talking general here). On street tires, unless your cutting 1.8s or better, and assuming the LS1 has the same driver. You do NOT need 300 rwhp, but its all reletive to 50,000 variables that will make the comparison unfair.
In the end the one thing I can say is you dont NEED 300 rwhp, and H/C/I to run with stock LS1s!
25thmustang said:I have Stock heads (unported with a set of valves), Stock cam, and a Cobra intake. I dont make 280 rwhp, and I run with LS1s on my street tires! I dont have crazy 4.56 gears, I have 3.73s. I dont have a gutted race car, but all the power options, leather, CD player, and get 24 mpg on average now!
25thmustang said:You obviousely havent tried to run with an LS1 with less than H/C/I or you would realize it isnt out of reach of a mild, NON H/C/I combo!
25thmustang said:In the end the one thing I can say is you dont NEED 300 rwhp, and H/C/I to run with stock LS1s!
5spd GT said:Some of the 5.0L's "back then" were selling upwards of 16k or so...and look what you "get" with the ls1 compared to the 5.0L....
CrazyCobra said:AlI have witnessed a bone stock(had an o/r H) 87 notch back with 4.10's and BF drag radials run in th 13.2x 's all day, how fast does a LS1 run in the 1/4? If by "pull that 100mph trapping car" you mean after the 1/4, the race is already over.
Read the original thread,FastDriver said:First, 13.2s aren't going to outrun all stock LS1s. Second, not all races end at the 1/4, nor do all start from a stop. This is particularly true of the place most races happen, and that place isn't at a racetrack. A lot of people want a car that they will race on the street, not at the track. In these comparisons, the LS1 is going to murder the stock or bolt-on 5.0s in any race longer than 1/4 of a mile, or in any race from a roll. Do you think the LS1 is going to shut down when he's pulling on you by about 10 mph?
My example is at the track, nor did I state that the mustang would win, just be a good race AT THE TRACK. Please read first, understand what has been said, then criticizeCase one at the track, a stock engine 87 speed density notch with a set of 4.10's and some traction will likly give a stock ls1 every thing it can handle,
This supports what I said in my original post, and i agree 100%FastDriver said:I don't think anyone here believes that a 5.0 with mere bolt-ons is going to stay ahead of an LS1 on the top-end. At the same time, everyone here understands that a bolt-on 5.0 with excellent traction can beat an LS1 off of the line so handily that it will stay ahead through the 1/4 traps.
FastDriver said:First, 13.2s aren't going to outrun all stock LS1s. Second, not all races end at the 1/4, nor do all start from a stop. This is particularly true of the place most races happen, and that place isn't at a racetrack. A lot of people want a car that they will race on the street, not at the track. In these comparisons, the LS1 is going to murder the stock or bolt-on 5.0s in any race longer than 1/4 of a mile, or in any race from a roll. Do you think the LS1 is going to shut down when he's pulling on you by about 10 mph?
WERD UP!Guyfoxbody said:I was waiting for you to shed some light on this thread!I agree 100% with you.
I would also like to add the both the T/A and Camaro were really never that attractive, IMO. I also do not like the way they drive nor how the seating position is.
For me, the reason that i own a foxbody is that they are nice looking, like the old muscle cars and very fun and easy to work on and mod.
Also, like 25th said, you really don't need all that HP to run with one. What you do need, is to know how to drive! Remember, 25th is running mid 12's with the little work he has done.
NMRA factory stock class was running low 12's five years ago, on stock heads and cams. I believe.crazykid2056 said:Not to flame, but it's hard to believe your (25th's) LX 5.0 is two seconds quicker then stock with just those mod's.
Good job, your an awesome driver with the wind at your back
WLDHRSE said:Giving up, not hardly. There is just no point. Not only have you not read the first couple of pages, you aren't even reading the new stuff. Or you really are the dumbest person on the planet.
WLDHRSE said:Exactly how does me saying that I can not change plugs on the vette in 5 minutes prove anything, and what exactly is it that you proved? EVERYBODY knows that they can't be changed that quickly. It takes that long to change the plug on a lawn mower dumbass.
WLDHRSE said:Obviously if you had read any of the earlier stuff that you were ripping apart, you would know that the four-eye freak is my 93 GT. I'm just wondering though, since you did not read the posts to see that this car is a 93, I'm guessing you looked at the sig pic like I said in my first post. If that's the case, how the hell did you confuse this car with an 86? Either way, you weren't paying attention and obviously still aren't.
WLDHRSE said:I'm not giving up, just bored with you. If you want to see my stuff, it will be at Carlisle this weekend. The 93 will be there on Sat, outside the show. The vette will be there Sun, definately outside the show (for reasons that may not be appearant to someone of your thought capacity).
StockLX said:Well i consider a bolt on to be anything you can "bolt on" without requiring machine work.
i wont go into major detail, but the main components are:
tfs twisted wedge heads, street heat intake, stage one camshaft,
24lb injectors, etc etc.....
i did the motor long after the ls1 race though... although i think id have em pretty good now. the regular lt1's are very easy now too
25thmustang said:Im talking about Highbredcloud and what he said. There were a few posts in here saying you need this or that, and the truth is it isnt needed to run with one. To out run one, I have seen high 13s out of them at my track, and also low 13s @ 109. There are soo many variables to judge.
25thmustang said:I just hate when people say you NEED something, with no real proof. I more or less agree in the fact the average vs the average its gonna take a bunch on the 5.0 to keep up and especially beat an LS1
25thmustang said:crazykid, you dont have to believe what the car runs, but I ran the 12.9 at FFW in NH. I ran my 12.56 at Fords @ Etown. I run my times at events that lots of people attend, and anyone who doesnt believe the car, come to one of them! I have no problem with people who dont believe it, makes me feel better because I know I did something most others wouldnt be able to do!
25thmustang said:PS: I had 272 rwhp with my rebuilt bottem end, when I went 12.9. I made 265 with my $50 original bottem end and ran 12.56! Long story short, the rebuilt was missing a few oil galley plugs, and failed to properly oil the front lifters!
The fact that I told you I could not change them in five minutes did point that out, like I said before.5spd GT said:You want to know why...because you should know that the plugs can't be changed that quickly and you "owning" one should be able to point that out if you can take them apart in your sleep which is not possible, especially if you don't have the cars
No everybody doesn't know...and you're one of them obviously.
I doubt you could get your thumb out of your azz in 20 seconds to get the project started. Once you did it would take at least 20 seconds to get a tool out to remove the spark plug, so I'm quite sure you can't do the job in 20 secs. I doubt you would even figure out what the right tool for the job would be in that time.5spd GT said:I can change a lawn mower plug in literally 20 seconds...plus that would depend on model/make of the lawnmower...
Obviously better than you!5spd GT said:Your not to good at this are you?
That's so amazing, your knowledge knows no bounderies.5spd GT said:Four eyed cars are not 93's...that is 86 and down...your again wrong on the cars. If I didn't read the post...how did I respond to them and what they had in them?
Like I said, idiot!5spd GT said:Oh, yeah I'm going to drive all the way from Carlisle to see your "proven" cars...yeah like that is realistic and that is supposed to prove something
Well you haven't proven here dumbass. What else you got?5spd GT said:I'm fairly sure I have more "thought capacity" than you...you keep getting busted on your "own" stuffThat can't be a good sign
Highbredcloud said:OK...you are missing the point here...109MPH and running low 13's...what exactly does that tell you? what is the car capable of? PLEASE TELL US!
lol...a bunch...huh? like H/C/I?
well...I guess I'm doing something wrong here...AND I guess people like ED C are too...Hell engineers at AFR...Ford Racing...I guess those aftermarket companies and all the reputalbe people here are just stealling our money...Nothing beats OEM parts I guessWhat elevations are you running at? From day 1 I questioned your times! Just imagine what a set of ported E7TE stocker's would do for you...? You'll be on your way to the 10's in no time...
or maybe...there is something else that you are not saying that is done to the car...maybe YOU don't even know!
WLDHRSE said:DISCLAIMER: Since JJ88GT has not commented in a couple of pages and already got the information he needs in the first two pages, and because I'm a big pic whore, I'm back in.
WLDHRSE said:The fact that I told you I could not change them in five minutes did point that out, like I said before.
BTW, this is my C5, it was blue (2nd sig pic) until about 3 weeks ago.
WLDHRSE said:I doubt you could get your thumb out of your azz in 20 seconds to get the project started. Once you did it would take at least 20 seconds to get a tool out to remove the spark plug, so I'm quite sure you can't do the job in 20 secs. I doubt you would even figure out what the right tool for the job would be in that time.
WLDHRSE said:Obviously better than you!
WLDHRSE said:That's so amazing, your knowledge knows no bounderies.
WLDHRSE said:BTW, that was my point, you are responding nonsence because you have no clue what's going on. Maybe cuz your not reading, maybe cuz your the idiot that we believe you are.
WLDHRSE said:Before I show you the good stuff.....
WLDHRSE said:Do me a favor, since you've obviously read and comprehended (sp?) every post in this thread, go back and find the one (or more) where you keep saying that I said I have an 86 stang. That will show what's what in itself. You're the man, go find it.
WLDHRSE said:Now answer me a question dumbass, does this look like an 86? Since you're the man, why don't you tell us what it is.
WLDHRSE said:Like I said, idiot!
WLDHRSE said:I did not ask you to drive FROM Carlisle to see anything. I did say that if you want to see some of my stuff, it will be at Carlisle this weekend. You would have to drive TO Carlisle to actually be there.
Incase you were not aware, Carlisle is about the biggest all Ford event in the country.
WLDHRSE said:Well you haven't proven here dumbass. What else you got?
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