Im back into the mustangs Finally... issues here we come

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So if anyone remembers me life is finally allowing me to work on the stangs again. Both of my 89's sat from about june 06 to jul 07. I didnt do a thing to them. I parked them both and the caos that is life took over. I moved both of them in july of this year to a new place of mine about a 1/2 mile from where they were parked. Both started up just like they never stopped running :D. I was really worried about bad gas but it was good enough to go where I needed to. So with other vehicles braking down and such I finally got back to the stangs today. I have a starting problem. I charged up the red top for my original and put it in. Cranked it over and no fire. I can't hear the fuel pump :(. I have power to the swith and I tried a direct jumper to the fuel pump and I can hear it "click" but no whine after :(. So I think the fuel pump is seized or the fuel filter is clogged, or both. So finally my question. Does anyone know of any miracle solution that would open up the clog? Thanks :D
 
Mike, if you dont hear a prime, I'd not assume there is a clog.

Chances are that sitting has allowed corrosion to work in (or packrats who ate wiring).

Have you tested for 12 volts across the pump connector (just above the tank)?

I'd start there. Then test at the FP relay if you do not have 12 volts reaching the pump (and the ground at the pump has less than 5 ohms of resistance). The FP relay is like a fork in the road and knowing which wire is missing its element makes choosing a direction easier.

Good luck bud.
 
Thanks JT!

I know not of the connector of which you speak(although I have only been in the trunk), I was tapping in at the inertia switch. I was just hoping to avoid dropping the tank so wishful thinking. Good to see you are still around :D. Ive actually been away from the wrench for WAY to long. It feels awesome to be back at it
 
If you feel up around the 'front-side' of the tank, you should feel the wiring harness for the pump. I have enough slack in both of mine to pull them down and test across the connector. If you dont, I'd just loosen the straps slightly - this should give you enough room.

Even easier really is just testing it at the FP relay. If your normally-open terminal shows 12 volts, then head back and check the above-mentioned tank connector (because either it's a wiring issue back there or the pump went bad).

The inertia switch is on the control side of the circuit. Again, it's just as easy to test its continuity by seeing if the hot side of the relay's coil gets 12 volts.

Check out the left side of the following diagram (thanks to S&2B's and TMoss, host and author, respectively):

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BTW, you're lucky to not have to wrench. Some of us are stuck doing it. :rlaugh:
 

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If you feel up around the 'front-side' of the tank, you should feel the wiring harness for the pump. I have enough slack in both of mine to pull them down and test across the connector. If you dont, I'd just loosen the straps slightly - this should give you enough room.

Even easier really is just testing it at the FP relay. If your normally-open terminal shows 12 volts, then head back and check the above-mentioned tank connector (because either it's a wiring issue back there or the pump went bad).

The inertia switch is on the control side of the circuit. Again, it's just as easy to test its continuity by seeing if the hot side of the relay's coil gets 12 volts.

Check out the left side of the following diagram (thanks to S&2B's and TMoss, host and author, respectively):


BTW, you're lucky to not have to wrench. Some of us are stuck doing it. :rlaugh:



Thanks... geez shows how long I have been away. I was thinking the inertia switch was a solenoid inline with the pumps hotwire:nonono: . Hopefully I will get to this tonite.

The thing is I DO have to wrench... I just havent. Thats why I have 3 of 5 cars not running :jaw:
 
So I had a couple of minutes while the baby was sleeping so I found the connector at the tank. It was all crusty so I pulled the driver seat and checked the relay. I can feel it click in my hand, but my results were a little odd. I back probed The relay and the pink wire only gets voltage for about a second after the relay kicks on. Its just long enough to register on my multimeter but then it dissapears. I then jumped 12v straight to the pink wire with the relay removed and nothing happened. I didnt have time to check at the connector yet because of said baby :D. The temporary voltage thing has me scratching my head, The relay stays engaged for 5 - 20 seconds going by the click test. I wanna just pull the tank, but this has me a little confused... been gone to long maybe and gotta clear the cobwebs. I am posting this pre maturely because of not checking the tank connector and associated ground. But since I won't get to it until midnight at the earliest, but probably around 7 in the morning I wanted to see if this is a common fox body problem. Watcha think?
 
FWIW, you were right about the inertia switch but it was for the wrong application. That's how it is on later models but not the earlier ones.

Unfortunately, the clicking relay doesnt tell ya much (I've even had them click when they were not closing). That does suggest your control side circuitry is good to go though. :nice:

I like the plan to check the pump-side connectors and wiring. I like using a fused jumper like you're doing but if you need the relay to function but stay closed (instead of priming-out after 2-5 seconds), you can jump the FP terminal at the self-test connector. This is tantamount to grounding the coil on the FP relay.

Good luck.
 
Fuel Pump Troubleshooting for 86-90 Mustangs

Clue – listen for the fuel pump to prime when you first turn the ignition switch on.
It should run for 5-20 seconds and shut off. To trick the fuel pump into running,
find the ECC test connector and jump the connector in the lower RH corner to
ground.
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If the fuse links are OK, you will have power to the pump. Check fuel pressure –
remove the cap from the Schrader valve behind the alternator and depress the
core. Fuel should squirt out, catch it in a rag. A tire pressure gauge can also be
used if you have one - look for 37-40 PSI. Beware of fire hazard when you do this.

No fuel pressure, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Tripped inertia switch – press reset button on the inertia switch. The hatch
cars hide it under the plastic trim covering the driver's side taillight. Use the
voltmeter or test light to make sure you have power to both sides of the switch

B.) Fuel pump power relay – located under the driver’s seat in most stangs built
before 92. On 92 and later model cars it is located below the Mass Air Flow meter.
C.) Clogged fuel filter
D.) Failed fuel pump
E.) Blown fuse link in wiring harness.
F.) Fuel pressure regulator failed. Remove vacuum line from regulator and inspect
for fuel escaping while pump is running.

The electrical circuit for the fuel pump has two paths, a control path and a power
path.

The control path consists of the inertia switch, the computer, and the fuel pump
relay coil. It turns the fuel pump relay on or off under computer control. The
switched power (red wire) from the ECC relay goes to the inertia switch
(red/black wire) then from the inertia switch to the relay coil and then from the
relay coil to the computer (tan/ Lt green wire). The computer provides the ground
path to complete the circuit. This ground causes the relay coil to energize and
close the contacts for the power path. Keep in mind that you can have voltage
to all the right places, but the computer must provide a ground. If there is no
ground, the relay will not close the power contacts.

The power path picks up from a fuse link near the starter relay. Fuse links are like
fuses, except they are pieces of wire and are made right into the wiring harness.
The feed wire from the fuse link (orange/ light blue wire) goes to the fuel pump
relay contacts. When the contacts close because the relay energizes, the power
flows through the contacts to the fuel pump (light pink/black wire). The fuel pump
has a black wire that supplies the ground to complete the circuit.

Remember that the computer does not source any power to actuators, relays
or injectors, but provides the ground necessary to complete the circuit. That
means one side of the circuit will always be hot, and the other side will go to
ground or below 1 volt as the computer switches on that circuit.


See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) &
Stang&2Birds (website host)

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/IgnitionSwitchWiring.gif

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/fuel-alt-links-ign-ac.gif

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/88-91eecPinout.gif

Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds

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Now that you have the theory of how it works, it’s time to go digging.

Look for 12 volts at the Orange/Lt. Blue wire (power source for fuel pump relay).
No voltage or low voltage, bad fuse link, bad wiring, bad ignition switch or ignition
switch wiring or connections. There is a mystery connector somewhere under the
driver’s side kick panel, between the fuel pump relay and the fuse link.

Turn on the key and jumper the fuel pump test connector to ground as previously
described. Look for 12 volts at the Light Pink/Black wire (relay controlled power
for the fuel pump). No voltage there means that the relay has failed, or there is a
broken wire in the relay control circuit.

Check the Red/black wire, it should have 12 volts. No 12 volts there, either the
inertia switch is open or has no power to it. Check both sides of the inertia
switch: there should be power on the Red wire and Red/Black wire. Power on the
Red wire and not on the Red/Black wire means the inertia switch is open.

Pump wiring: Anytime the ignition switch is in the Run position and the test
point is jumpered to ground, there should be at least 12 volts present on the
black/pink wire. With power off, check the pump ground: you should see less
than 1 ohm between the black wire and chassis ground.

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The Tan/Lt Green wire provides a ground path for the relay power. With the test
connector jumpered to ground, there should be less than .75 volts. Use a test
lamp with one side connected to battery power and the other side to the
Tan/Lt Green wire. The test light should glow brightly. No glow and you have a
broken wire or bad connection between the test connector and the relay. To test
the wiring from the computer, remove the passenger side kick panel and
disconnect the computer connector. It has a 10 MM bolt that holds it in place.
With the test lamp connected to power, jumper pin 22 to ground and the test
lamp should glow. No glow and the wiring between the computer and the fuel
pump relay is bad.

Computer: If you got this far and everything else checked out good, the computer is suspect.
Remove the test jumper from the ECC test connector located under the hood.
Probe computer pin 22 with a safety pin and ground it to chassis. Make sure the computer
and everything else is connected. Turn the ignition switch to the Run position and observe
the fuel pressure. The pump should run at full pressure.
If it doesn't, the wiring between pin 22 on the computer and the fuel pump relay is bad.
If it does run at full pressure, the computer may have failed.

Keep in mind that the computer only runs the fuel pump for about 2-3 seconds when you turn
the key to the Run position. This can sometimes fool you into thinking the computer has died.
Connect one lead of the test light to power and the other lead to computer pin 22 with a safety pin.
With the ignition switch Off, jumper the computer into self test mode like you are going to dump
the codes. Turn the ignition switch to the Run position. The light will flicker when the computer
does the self test routine. A flickering light is a good computer. No flickering light is a bad computer.
Remove the test jumper from the ECC test connector located under the hood.

If all of the checks have worked OK to this point, then the computer is bad. The
computers are very reliable and not prone to failure unless there has been
significant electrical trauma to the car. Things like lightning strikes and putting
the battery in backwards or connecting jumper cables backwards are about the
only thing that kills the computer.