Schmelling is not a real word!!!Spelling schmelling, lack of comprehension has stricken!
I think you've started something!!!!!!!!!!
Really?Here's the deal. If you want to race, you should go to the track. That's where the faster and better cars are determined, and the better driver for that matter.
Nope, I've stressed in almost every post in this thread that the comparison between the price of new cars and the price of fox-bodies is not my point at all.By the way, talking about it costing too much money to upgrade a Fox Body?
Have you seen the projected prices for the new Camero's and Challengers? I don't know the numbers, but I remember them being really high!
because i don't see why anyone would spend 80k on a Z06 regardless of how badass it is. If you love Mustangs then spend 80k on a Mustang and there's no reason it won't be as fast as the Vette .............................................The problem is people who go out and put an HCI combo on an otherwise stock Mustang and expect to blow everything off the road.
And the original post was about how much it would cost to make equal or more horse power in a Fox compared to newer models.
i agree with 93gtmustang, keep the racing off the street and take it to the track before you kill some one, or some other as*hole street racer kills someone you love.
first of all... the fox body was a kick as car and still is.
you need to stop comparing 79-93 5.0s to 94-07 cars. the fox was the longest running of the mustangs and still has a reputation ass a sweet ride.
.......................................................... If you think 5.0s are slow then you go take out a loan and buy you a new car.
end rant.
Chris,
I liked how you just totally ignored my point and jumped striaght into yours.
Facts are.. you go the track and the fox is competing and winning.
The street isnt a field for competition (IMO anyways). I guess it could be argued that the street is grounds for competition.. BUT.. legal.. and REAL competitions are held at the track and thats where the fox is still alive and breathing well.
I take it you must not get out the tracks very often or something
checkI'd just like to know how many of the posters in this thread:
1) have driven any of the cars that have been compared to the Mustang
Check2) own/have owned any of the cars compared to the Mustang
Rog, I own a mustang that will be, within the next year conservatively (1000rwhp), a 9 second fox-body.3) aren't you likely to own a Mustang and here you are bashing them?
I like the stang more.This tells me that you either think the grass is greener on the other side
How about a 10.85@128mph by a stock Z06 other than Drag Radials.because things are newer and more expensive, or you're just going by what the magazines and rumour are telling you.
Because they aren't the quickest things out there, and noone wants to risk losing an expensive production car for something that's cheaper and likely to be faster.... I know that's your point, but it doesn't affect or compromise mine.How many Z06's has anyone seen on Pinks? If they're so badass then why doesn't everyone drag race them?
I guess I've been to enough open track events to see plenty of corvettes & Z06s, but again.....nothing to do with the thread.I've been to a few open track events...never seen a single one. I'm not just bashing on the Z06, and for the record i do think it's an incredible car, it's just not this uber automobile that some people would make it out to be. This kind of talk used to be reserved for the Viper too....which again is a badass car but is not untouchable in the least.
AgreedAs far as refinement goes....that's stupid to even argue. If you want refinement then don't go out and buy a 20 year old car! If you do and you're upset that a 20 year old car that really wasn't the picture of comfort when it was NEW isn't comparable to a 2007, $80 entry level supercar, then you've got issues beyond what this thread is discussing.
Romantic, but also wrong. My perceptions of fox-bodies in the lane next to me were almost always certain that the other fox would not run with me, and i was in a twin-turbo fox that was not as fast as a new Z06; it would only go mid-11s@117-119.I think some people are believing a little too much of the crap they're being fed by the automotive media. The grass is always greener on the other side. You can bet your ass that every time a Fox pulls up to a light next to a Z06 owner, he questions weather or not his car has what it takes to pull the car in the next lane, because Fox Mustangs have that reputation of being a badass on the streets and the track, and that rep wasn't given by the auto media, it was earned out there on the streets and the tracks over the last 20 years.
6k dollars in my 88 5.0 gets me 11.1xs at 123mph!!!!!!! That is pretty competitive no matter what you compare it to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Compared to modern cars the 5.0 does not fare well. I remember my ex gf beating an 86 5.0 5 speed from a 40 mph kick down in her 4 cylinder 95 accord back when it was brand new.
Even in it's day it wasn't king... But it held a high ranking. I mean there were Grand Nationals and Eclipse GSX's and Acura RSX(?) that could out run a 5.0 from a kickdown. The fact is that they were very fast for there time especially from a dig. Nothing on the streets had the torque that these cars do for most of the 80's. I remember the 5.0 ruled the streets until 1993 when the camaro got the LT1.
It is apples and oranges though. Technology will always get better and we will continue to go faster with less.
Sometimes it's not all about being the faster car on the block.
The Mustang has a good name, and that's good enough for me. You still get tons of attention and praise even if in a 14-second stocker
I look at it this way... With cars like Mustangs, Vettes, Fbodies etc, most of the owners and guys who actually enjoy them are enthusiests and most of the time die hard brand loyal people. They might have decided to buy a Mustang because its cheap, looks good, whatever, but they then get hooked and wont even think about other cars. I talk to people that would rather have their ratty old fox over a new Z06. In the eyes of someone not brand loyal this is insane, but to someone who truly loves the Mustang, and what kind of heritage it has, its perfectly normal.
Anyway, back to the subject at hand, the "I could do more for less" comment holds water to a certain degree but after that point it's ricer *****. You do not end up with the same thing by building an older car, Im not talking about from the performance stand point, Im talking fit and finish and refinement
THE POINT AGAIN is that it takes too much to practically make a fox-body faster than other cars. Because of this, the REPUTATION of the fox-body has degraded to the point that it is just an old car. ANYTHING can be made to be fast, but IT IS NOT THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULE THAT MAKES A CAR'S REPUTATION.
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