intercooling a Vortech s-trim?

Notched · Dec 2, 2004

well i found the the vortech s/c i thought was an a-trim was acutally the top model s-trim.

just curious.

this is the car and mods lsited
http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/406445/2

would buying an intercooler from vortech for this model give me increased horsepower?

also, looking at the mods listed, how much psi can this motor hold with the s-trim---- would buying a smaller pulley push to much power, and cause big problems?

just curious. only thing i would do is buy a smaller pulley, and put on an intercooler. any thoughts/opininos?

Thanks in advance
~will

Cobra_TT · Dec 3, 2004

Find the biggest intercooler you can put in front of your radiator and run it. The better it cools the air the mroe efficent the S/C will become. personally I have 3 intercoolers in my 'stang, but my 'Stang is also a twin turbo setup. So my turbos are running at about 97% efficency.

Also if you put too small of a pulley on the S/C you may tur it too fast and make it inefficent the max RPM of a S/C before it stops making usable boost is 14,500, so keep it under that and you'll be fine.

Is the bottom end of your engine stock? I would recomeng buying the racing gurdle from Summit Racing, here is the URL

http://store.summitracing.com/defau...0&Ntk=KeywordSearch&Ntt=Ford+gurdle&x=15&y=10

It is worth the money

TT91 · Dec 3, 2004

Cobra_TT said:
Find the biggest intercooler you can put in front of your radiator and run it. The better it cools the air the mroe efficent the S/C will become. personally I have 3 intercoolers in my 'stang, but my 'Stang is also a twin turbo setup. So my turbos are running at about 97% efficency.

Also if you put too small of a pulley on the S/C you may tur it too fast and make it inefficent the max RPM of a S/C before it stops making usable boost is 14,500, so keep it under that and you'll be fine.

Is the bottom end of your engine stock? I would recomeng buying the racing gurdle from Summit Racing, here is the URL

http://store.summitracing.com/defau...0&Ntk=KeywordSearch&Ntt=Ford+gurdle&x=15&y=10

It is worth the money

Who did you buy your car from, cuz you have no idea what the hell your talking about. 3 intercoolers on one car? LOL! One properly sized intercooler would have done the job just fine. You just told this kid to go out and buy the BIGGEST intercooler he can find and slap it on..you realize that right? Flow rate? size? Does any of that matter? Its pointless to intercool an S-trim. They will go beyond the limits of a stock block, so therefore its pretty much useless. If you have a proper tune and a fuel system set up to handle the s-trim, detonation shouldnt be a problem...If your really intent on looking for an intercooler, check out the Vortech Aftercooler for your setup. www.vortechengineering.com

Cobra_TT · Dec 3, 2004

I had a very indepth conversation with an instructor at the top college in the country, he told me that the more inercoolers/the bigger they are the better. an intercooler cools the air down about 60 degrese from 100+ degrese, Id rather not have that tempature going into the other turbo. Instead of compressing hot air and making it hotter, the second turbo will be compressing denser air, so by the time it reaches the throttle plate the air will be bout 120 degese cooler than the air coming out of the first turbo. Do you now get why I chose to run 3 intercoolers. . . . .or have I lost you?

you said "You just told this kid to go out and buy the BIGGEST intercooler he can find and slap it on"

I said Find the biggest intercooler you can put in front of your radiator and run it.

TT91 · Dec 3, 2004

Cobra_TT said:
I had a very indepth conversation with an instructor at the top college in the country, he told me that the more inercoolers/the bigger they are the better. an intercooler cools the air down about 60 degrese from 100+ degrese, Id rather not have that tempature going into the other turbo. Instead of compressing hot air and making it hotter, the second turbo will be compressing denser air, so by the time it reaches the throttle plate the air will be bout 120 degese cooler than the air coming out of the first turbo. Do you now get why I chose to run 3 intercoolers. . . . .or have I lost you?

you said "You just told this kid to go out and buy the BIGGEST intercooler he can find and slap it on"

I said Find the biggest intercooler you can put in front of your radiator and run it.

oh man...Your running one turbo into another? Thats a bi-turbo setup, not twins. And by running an intercooler inbetween second turbo and the first because "Id rather not have that tempurature going into the other turbo" ...what good is that doing since its going to go through another HOT turbo once again and beiing heat back up, only to be cooled down by another intercooler..??? Who ever you talked to plugged some seriously screwed up facts in your head. Please draw up a quick diagram of your setup, i really wanna see how you have this laid out. Pics would be great to.

TT91 · Dec 3, 2004

Cobra_TT said:
Is the bottom end of your engine stock? I would recomeng buying the racing gurdle from Summit Racing, here is the URL

http://store.summitracing.com/defau...0&Ntk=KeywordSearch&Ntt=Ford+gurdle&x=15&y=10

It is worth the money

Please tell me you dont believe the hype about " racing gurdles"...your block is going to split either way, and its a main GIRDLE or support.

Stock block With girdle...http://www.mustangmods.com/data/11210/im002168.jpg

Before the teardown..http://www.mustangmods.com/data/11210/608534_16_full.jpg

Please, you making urself out to be...well...someone who has no idea what they're talking about. Post pics and numbers...

U wanna run a nice twin intercooler...here ya go--

If your willing - www.turbomustangs.com But dont come on talking about 3 intercoolers and gurdles...

TT91 · Dec 3, 2004

Im going to answer the original question..

Notched said:
would buying an intercooler from vortech for this model give me increased horsepower?

No, if you need an intercooler for more horsepower on a stock block, then you need to get a new tuner.

Notched said:
also, looking at the mods listed, how much psi can this motor hold with the s-trim---- would buying a smaller pulley push to much power, and cause big problems?

PSI is only a matter of restriction, the better flowing heads, intake, exhuast you have, the less psi you will see on your guage from the same blower/pulley, but youll be making more power...comprende? I recommend the 3 in pulley or the 2.95 pulley.This is my old S-trim setup. , it made 554 rwhp, do you see an intercooler? is 554rwhp enough for you? Goodluck!

Rick 91GT · Dec 3, 2004

I agree with sureshot, you'll be able to break the block with out the intercooler so you're throwing money in the wrong spot at this time. NOW if you had a nice block, and internals I would say buy an intercooler sized out to the proper specs, make your own tubing and your in business. I've seen a Passengerside YS Trim done that way.

Pic's of Spence Harts old combo...

View attachment 519972
View attachment 519974

Sureshot is right about boost, it is all relative... You can figure out the rpm of the blower on vortech's site based on lower and upper pullies, and engine rpm.

Cobra_TT Pics or a sketch would be great, along with any proven data. When I first started reading this thread I thought you had 3 cores put together, now it does sounds like you have 1 feeding the other.....

I like girdle since they hold the block together when it all breaks, I think they help a little with main cap walk, same goes for pinning the caps like a steel rod. The weak are of a 302 can not be strengthened enough, the lifer valley and the main area....

Mike SVOR · Dec 3, 2004

Notched said:
well i found the the vortech s/c i thought was an a-trim was acutally the top model s-trim.

They make an S trim and a Heavy Duty S trim. Which one is it?

Notched said:
would buying an intercooler from vortech for this model give me increased horsepower?

In short, YES. An intercooler removes heat from the compressed air allowing you to run more timing without detonation.
I recommend the largest, thickest, and tallest intercooler you can fit in your car.

Mike

Mike SVOR · Dec 3, 2004

Cobra_TT said:
I had a very indepth conversation with an instructor at the top college in the country, he told me that the more inercoolers/the bigger they are the better. an intercooler cools the air down about 60 degrese from 100+ degrese, Id rather not have that tempature going into the other turbo. Instead of compressing hot air and making it hotter, the second turbo will be compressing denser air, so by the time it reaches the throttle plate the air will be bout 120 degese cooler than the air coming out of the first turbo. Do you now get why I chose to run 3 intercoolers. . . . .or have I lost you?

you said "You just told this kid to go out and buy the BIGGEST intercooler he can find and slap it on"

I said Find the biggest intercooler you can put in front of your radiator and run it.
__________________
1978 Mustang Cobra
-Ported heads
-Port Matched Intake and Exhaust
-351 Block with 302 Crank
-Multiport Fuely
-Twin 62-1 Hybrid Turbos
-3" Exhaust w/ Xpipe
-Midvalley Semi-Clutchless 6sp. w/External overdrive unit (12 Gears in all)
-4 link rear end out of a Crown Victoria w/3.55's
-Custom Widebody kit for rear
-5 Lug Conversion (For the front)
-16" x 6" Daytona Rims Front
-16" x 11" Daytona Rims Rear
-820 WRHP
-About 900 Foot Pounds of Pavement Pounding Torque

CobraTT, Either your Full of S#!t, or you have a turbo system that is used in applications of 30 to 60 psi of boost. Eg. Large sequential twin turbo Diesels.

and a 351 with a 302 crank?? WTF?

Put up or shut up dude. I wana see pics of this thing or I'm callin you a Farkin Lier.

UnderPressureGT · Dec 3, 2004

sirsureshot39 said:
Im going to answer the original question..

PSI is only a matter of restriction, the better flowing heads, intake, exhuast you have, the less psi you will see on your guage from the same blower/pulley, but youll be making more power...comprende? I recommend the 3 in pulley or the 2.95 pulley.This is my old S-trim setup. , it made 554 rwhp, do you see an intercooler? is 554rwhp enough for you? Goodluck!

Mike... No i dont see an intercooler on that pic, but what was your MOST recent setup? I coulda sworn you had the aftercooler on there.. I also remember you telling me that it felt like it added another 50 hp.... the reason im questioning you is because by next summer i will have a new motor and im debating whether or not to throw the 1500 on the aftercooler... wish you sold yours to me for the price you told me.. woulda been a steal!! but hey money talks and you sold everything together soo thats cool.. Did that aftercooler really add power???

Thanks Joe

twidge · Dec 3, 2004

I wonder if Cobra TT knows that 351W blocks use a 3" main, and 302 blocks use a 2.25" main. ****, I wonder if Cobra TT even knows what mains are Good thread, good thread.

tunedin302 · Dec 3, 2004

twidge said:
I wonder if Cobra TT knows that 351W blocks use a 3" main, and 302 blocks use a 2.25" main. ****, I wonder if Cobra TT even knows what mains are Good thread, good thread.

Here is a link to Cobra TT's explanation ...
http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?p=4794261#post4794261

TT91 · Dec 3, 2004

FiVeLiTeR87GT said:
Mike... No i dont see an intercooler on that pic, but what was your MOST recent setup? I coulda sworn you had the aftercooler on there.. I also remember you telling me that it felt like it added another 50 hp.... the reason im questioning you is because by next summer i will have a new motor and im debating whether or not to throw the 1500 on the aftercooler... wish you sold yours to me for the price you told me.. woulda been a steal!! but hey money talks and you sold everything together soo thats cool.. Did that aftercooler really add power???

Thanks Joe

I didnt go out and spend the extra $ on it, i had it sitting in my room for 2 yrs, so i decided why the hell not give it a try. My combo is a bit more exptensive then just a bolt on supercharger as well, so ever mod would have more potential on my combo rather then a stock combo. The aftercooler worked, yes indeed, it keep my manifold cooler then without one. Did it add horsepower, yea im sure it did. Did i mess with the timing...nope. I just simply liked the idea of have a cooler air charge in the motor. Like yourself, and the original poster, for a stock block application, the s-trim is more then enough effiecent to make all the power a stock block can handle. I was running a much smaller pulley then you as well.

UnderPressureGT · Dec 3, 2004

sirsureshot39 said:
I didnt go out and spend the extra $ on it, i had it sitting in my room for 2 yrs, so i decided why the hell not give it a try. My combo is a bit more exptensive then just a bolt on supercharger as well, so ever mod would have more potential on my combo rather then a stock combo. The aftercooler worked, yes indeed, it keep my manifold cooler then without one. Did it add horsepower, yea im sure it did. Did i mess with the timing...nope. I just simply liked the idea of have a cooler air charge in the motor. Like yourself, and the original poster, for a stock block application, the s-trim is more then enough effiecent to make all the power a stock block can handle. I was running a much smaller pulley then you as well.

I gotcha... although i like the setup pictured above, would it be a waste paying 250 for an intercooler on ebay and run the piping just like that?? i could have a guy at this local muffler shop to do the piping.. What would you think? total waste??

Cobra_TT · Dec 3, 2004

how many of you guys are certified mechanics that went to school for high performance???

Rick 91GT · Dec 3, 2004

Cobra_TT said:
how many of you guys are certified mechanics that went to school for high performance???

Been building high performance and race motors and cars for a few years now, complete cars/chassis from ground up. Just started my own business

Can you post a diagram of your set-up or a pic, or e-mail it to me if you do not want to post Rick91GT@suscom.net

Thanks....

TT91 · Dec 3, 2004

Cobra_TT said:
how many of you guys are certified mechanics that went to school for high performance???

I am! Certified aircraft mechanic, airframes and hydraulics/sheet metal. Been working on mustangs for 5 years now. Installed everything on my car, build 3 different motors for my car, all have seen 475 hp plus. New motor is going to see 750 hp with twins, so dont go yapping about your knowledge from your college professors. Take that bs and go somewhere esle.

Cobra_TT · Dec 3, 2004

I think the only reason you think what I say is s**t is because you think your hot stuff due to your 1000 posts. . . . Ass clown

twidge · Dec 3, 2004

Cobra_TT said:
I think the only reason you think what I say is s**t is because you think your hot stuff due to your 1000 posts. . . . Ass clown

No, I think the reason he says what you say is **** is because it's so idiotic it has to be wrong. I'll tell you what. Go to walmart, buy a 7 dollar disposeable camera, take some pictures of your car. Spend another 7 dollars to have them developed and put onto a CD, then come and upload them here. For any person who has a REAL CAR, not some made up internet fantasy, that would be very easy. What do you think, wanna share your made up 1000 horsepower, twin turb, 12-speed, widebody, half 5-lug, 302/351 mutant hybrid with us?

How about this, who did you order custom pistons through. Nobody makes shelf stock pistons for a 3" crank in a 351W block, so you'd HAVE to get them custom. JE and others keep records for a long time of who ordered what from them, so how about that.

On the other hand, you could always just create another user name and stop using Cobra_TT to try and get out of your retarded lie that is collapsing in on itself.

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