internal combustion engine to run on......SALTWATER!!!!

I saw this today and thought it was cool, but I don't see the use of radio waves igniting hydrogen as being useful for an engine, per se ... but rather, more so for use in separating the oxygen from the hydrogen molecules for collection and use as an alternative fuel source.

Hydrogen being retrofitted into regular combustion engines, I can almost imagine as being practical and do-able, as the biggest challenge for a long time has always been in finding a cheap/efficient way of separating the hydrogen from water for use as a combustion fuel. Essentially, the biggest challenge for conversion would be in rigging up a retrofit kit for engines to meter the fuel in there the same way as, say, propane would be used, and also to have a different fuel storage tank in the back.

There's a few drawbacks to hydrogen, though. As stated, a major issue would be getting a standard engine to tolerate the water that results from combustion. Seals and oils and such would all need to be different - maybe using silicone instead of conventional oil?

Also, who says the hydrogen has to be used strictly as a combustion engine fuel source? Fuel cells that use hydrogen to produce electricity for powering motors are already in development; again, one big obstacle they've had with that is in the production of hydrogen, but if this solves it ... heyyyyy! :nice:

Then it all comes down to crafty ways of making practical fuel cells and/or fuel storage tanks for vehicles, setting up a nationwide network of distribution centers for hydrogen, and then weaning everyone off of gas and diesel (or at least non-biodiesel) fuels to hop on the hydrogen bandwagon. It'll take awhile, but I can almost imagine it happening in my lifetime...
 
Interesting Darkwriter,I agree that hydrogen shows promise,but I think we will need to move away from piston type engines,and into turbine shaft style engines.We're already using types of these in our helicopters and some military vehicles,I got no idea if these would be effcient in comparision though.

Warp field generators anyone? :rolleyes:
 
Interesting Darkwriter,I agree that hydrogen shows promise,but I think we will need to move away from piston type engines,and into turbine shaft style engines.We're already using types of these in our helicopters and some military vehicles,I got no idea if these would be effcient in comparision though.

Warp field generators anyone? :rolleyes:

Chrysler experimented with Turbine cars I think somewhere in early 60s and made about 50 of them, I think there are still 5 or 6 in operation.
 
It is interesting, but it will take much more energy to create the fuel than you will get out of burning it. It has some promise in communities that may choose to set up a transportation system, but the long term effects of the radio wave emissions will need to be studied.
 
No way in hell this will happen within 10 years. Until people realize that oil isnt endless oil companies will shut down any type of practical hydrogen cars. They did that with the turbine cars in the 50s and 60s and they will do it again. So even if they do manage to find a way to seperate the hydrogen from the water more efficiently its doubful that we would see any type of change until at least 2020+ because the world is supposed to hit peak oil production somewhere around 2018 at the earliest which means that we will have consumed an estimated half of all oil reserves on the planet. Its a scary thought because that is less than 15 years away. We could have easily had alternative fuel sources by now for cars but oil companies will keep shutting down any practical sources. It sucks but it is the world we live in.
 
Problem with turbine vehicles (from what I've seen) is a total lack of torque and a slow spool-up time. They're cool, but I can't see them being used for everyday vehicles, or at least not of the commuter type - maybe industrial and/or sports applications, perhaps. Those turbine jet-powered motorcylces are awesome to behold, and have a theoretical limitless top speed (the faster it goes, the more air it sucks in, and the faster still it goes), but owners like Jay Leno have said the thing about them that spoils it is that romping on the throttle is a slowwwwwww deal, like a turbocharger in slow-motion. Well, that and the fact that when you start one of those things up, people are looking around for either a helicopter or a Harrier jump jet to be taking off somewhere nearby. :D

Also, I'm not sure how/if hydrogen could be used in a turbine application. :scratch:

Just had a silly idea: what about a return to STEAM power? :nice:

You see, back in the days of old, everyone used to burn stuff like coal to generate heat which would turn water into steam which would, in turn, power large pistons and such to create motion. So, you use radio waves on water to release the hydrogen and burn it (a reaction which, presumably, bonds hydrogen back with oxygen and again creates water). Use the thermal energy from that reaction to not only heat up water to create steam but also harness some of that to generate electricity (to power whatever device creates the radio waves for the initial reaction), and ... ta-daaaaa!

Of course, a hundred years or so in the future, you'd see a buttload of people moving towards the coastlines to get their free refills of salt water, up until the Federal government decries that they own the friggin' OCEANS, fences off all of the beaches, and starts charging people for salt water by the gallon... :rolleyes:

Okay, so who wants to help me convert my Mustang over to radio-steam-power?
 
No way in hell this will happen within 10 years. Until people realize that oil isnt endless oil companies will shut down any type of practical hydrogen cars. They did that with the turbine cars in the 50s and 60s and they will do it again. So even if they do manage to find a way to seperate the hydrogen from the water more efficiently its doubful that we would see any type of change until at least 2020+ because the world is supposed to hit peak oil production somewhere around 2018 at the earliest which means that we will have consumed an estimated half of all oil reserves on the planet. Its a scary thought because that is less than 15 years away. We could have easily had alternative fuel sources by now for cars but oil companies will keep shutting down any practical sources. It sucks but it is the world we live in.


I dont buy into the Peak Oil Theory as so many times in the past it has been claimed that by such and such a date will will be out of Oil. The Turbine Engine experiment was to allow you to run it on whatever fuel you liked be it gasoline, kerosine, or diesel but they just were not practical. They ran on Fuels supplied by the Petrol Industry and no one shut them down, relax and dont let the Main Stream Media keep scaring you!
 
Problem with turbine vehicles (from what I've seen) is a total lack of torque and a slow spool-up time. They're cool, but I can't see them being used for everyday vehicles, or at least not of the commuter type - maybe industrial and/or sports applications, perhaps. Those turbine jet-powered motorcylces are awesome to behold, and have a theoretical limitless top speed (the faster it goes, the more air it sucks in, and the faster still it goes), but owners like Jay Leno have said the thing about them that spoils it is that romping on the throttle is a slowwwwwww deal, like a turbocharger in slow-motion. Well, that and the fact that when you start one of those things up, people are looking around for either a helicopter or a Harrier jump jet to be taking off somewhere nearby. :D

Also, I'm not sure how/if hydrogen could be used in a turbine application. :scratch:

Just had a silly idea: what about a return to STEAM power? :nice:

You see, back in the days of old, everyone used to burn stuff like coal to generate heat which would turn water into steam which would, in turn, power large pistons and such to create motion. So, you use radio waves on water to release the hydrogen and burn it (a reaction which, presumably, bonds hydrogen back with oxygen and again creates water). Use the thermal energy from that reaction to not only heat up water to create steam but also harness some of that to generate electricity (to power whatever device creates the radio waves for the initial reaction), and ... ta-daaaaa!

Of course, a hundred years or so in the future, you'd see a buttload of people moving towards the coastlines to get their free refills of salt water, up until the Federal government decries that they own the friggin' OCEANS, fences off all of the beaches, and starts charging people for salt water by the gallon... :rolleyes:

Okay, so who wants to help me convert my Mustang over to radio-steam-power?

Steam Engines were not Practical at all as you had to light them like a hour before you wanted to leave plus they were VERY Dangerous!
 
Problem with turbine vehicles (from what I've seen) is a total lack of torque and a slow spool-up time. They're cool, but I can't see them being used for everyday vehicles, or at least not of the commuter type - maybe industrial and/or sports applications, perhaps. Those turbine jet-powered motorcylces are awesome to behold, and have a theoretical limitless top speed (the faster it goes, the more air it sucks in, and the faster still it goes), but owners like Jay Leno have said the thing about them that spoils it is that romping on the throttle is a slowwwwwww deal, like a turbocharger in slow-motion. Well, that and the fact that when you start one of those things up, people are looking around for either a helicopter or a Harrier jump jet to be taking off somewhere nearby. :D

Also, I'm not sure how/if hydrogen could be used in a turbine application. :scratch:

First off its not a turbine engine,its a turbine-shaft engine,a driveshaft still applies the power to an axle that would drive the vehicle. And also,most turbine based engine we are familar with are for use up in the air.

Plus that was only a suggestion,hell you could probably use a vien or Roots style compressor if you could get one to run in reverse to apply power.And imagine the possablity of something like that,you could use solid particulate fuel.
 
Problem with turbine vehicles (from what I've seen) is a total lack of torque and a slow spool-up time. They're cool, but I can't see them being used for everyday vehicles, or at least not of the commuter type - maybe industrial and/or sports applications, perhaps. Those turbine jet-powered motorcylces are awesome to behold, and have a theoretical limitless top speed (the faster it goes, the more air it sucks in, and the faster still it goes), but owners like Jay Leno have said the thing about them that spoils it is that romping on the throttle is a slowwwwwww deal, like a turbocharger in slow-motion. Well, that and the fact that when you start one of those things up, people are looking around for either a helicopter or a Harrier jump jet to be taking off somewhere nearby. :D

Also, I'm not sure how/if hydrogen could be used in a turbine application. :scratch:

Just had a silly idea: what about a return to STEAM power? :nice:

You see, back in the days of old, everyone used to burn stuff like coal to generate heat which would turn water into steam which would, in turn, power large pistons and such to create motion. So, you use radio waves on water to release the hydrogen and burn it (a reaction which, presumably, bonds hydrogen back with oxygen and again creates water). Use the thermal energy from that reaction to not only heat up water to create steam but also harness some of that to generate electricity (to power whatever device creates the radio waves for the initial reaction), and ... ta-daaaaa!

Of course, a hundred years or so in the future, you'd see a buttload of people moving towards the coastlines to get their free refills of salt water, up until the Federal government decries that they own the friggin' OCEANS, fences off all of the beaches, and starts charging people for salt water by the gallon... :rolleyes:

Okay, so who wants to help me convert my Mustang over to radio-steam-power?

Or we could always just power our cars with our microwaves. Thats basically what your saying.... They already have the resonating frequency of water figured out... Thats how a microwave works we wouldnt even need radio waves the waves that come out of your microwave resonate with the water and will boil it and make steam. Just to throw a spin out there... Ill help you with your steam power as soon as i get my flux-capacitor installed.:shrug:
 
Or we could always just power our cars with our microwaves. Thats basically what your saying.... They already have the resonating frequency of water figured out... Thats how a microwave works we wouldnt even need radio waves the waves that come out of your microwave resonate with the water and will boil it and make steam. Just to throw a spin out there... Ill help you with your steam power as soon as i get my flux-capacitor installed.:shrug:

Yes,but what would ya power to microwave producer with? :rlaugh:

Lets all go with nuclear reactor power electric cars,only problem would be one accident and everything is contaminated,or worse yet core melt down. Hmm, wonder what insurance for that would cost?