• Mustang Forums
  • 1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk-

internal combustion engine to run on......SALTWATER!!!!

  • Thread starter Thread starter Modular2v
  • Start date Start date Sep 11, 2007
  • 1
  • 2
Next
1 of 2 Next Last

Modular2v

Founding Member
Jun 30, 2002
3,222
23
99
oklahoma
Sep 11, 2007
#1
  • Sep 11, 2007
  • #1
was googling for alternative fuel sources today and guess what!

this was just announced today!

http://www.glumbert.com/media/sal(censored)er


think about all the re-engineering we would have to do to get an internal combustion engine to withstand saltwater!
 

Aaron

20+ Year Stangneter
Dec 5, 2003
95
39
38
Buffalo, NY
Sep 11, 2007
#2
  • Sep 11, 2007
  • #2
HAHA - you were sensored!
 

Modular2v

Founding Member
Jun 30, 2002
3,222
23
99
oklahoma
Sep 11, 2007
#3
  • Sep 11, 2007
  • #3
aaron11272 said:
HAHA - you were sensored!
Click to expand...

yeah for saying t.w.a.t in saltwater
 

Aaron

20+ Year Stangneter
Dec 5, 2003
95
39
38
Buffalo, NY
Sep 11, 2007
#4
  • Sep 11, 2007
  • #4
Absolutely amazing though! I wonder if we'll ever see it in every day life?
 

Darkwriter77

Resident Ranting Negative Nancy
5 Year Member
Jul 1, 2005
314
281
134
Apache Junction, AZ
Sep 11, 2007
#5
  • Sep 11, 2007
  • #5
I saw this today and thought it was cool, but I don't see the use of radio waves igniting hydrogen as being useful for an engine, per se ... but rather, more so for use in separating the oxygen from the hydrogen molecules for collection and use as an alternative fuel source.

Hydrogen being retrofitted into regular combustion engines, I can almost imagine as being practical and do-able, as the biggest challenge for a long time has always been in finding a cheap/efficient way of separating the hydrogen from water for use as a combustion fuel. Essentially, the biggest challenge for conversion would be in rigging up a retrofit kit for engines to meter the fuel in there the same way as, say, propane would be used, and also to have a different fuel storage tank in the back.

There's a few drawbacks to hydrogen, though. As stated, a major issue would be getting a standard engine to tolerate the water that results from combustion. Seals and oils and such would all need to be different - maybe using silicone instead of conventional oil?

Also, who says the hydrogen has to be used strictly as a combustion engine fuel source? Fuel cells that use hydrogen to produce electricity for powering motors are already in development; again, one big obstacle they've had with that is in the production of hydrogen, but if this solves it ... heyyyyy!

Then it all comes down to crafty ways of making practical fuel cells and/or fuel storage tanks for vehicles, setting up a nationwide network of distribution centers for hydrogen, and then weaning everyone off of gas and diesel (or at least non-biodiesel) fuels to hop on the hydrogen bandwagon. It'll take awhile, but I can almost imagine it happening in my lifetime...
 

bluevenom867

I will have images of molesting stuffed animals in
Dec 15, 2003
1,704
1
0
St.Petersburg,FL
Sep 12, 2007
#6
  • Sep 12, 2007
  • #6
Interesting Darkwriter,I agree that hydrogen shows promise,but I think we will need to move away from piston type engines,and into turbine shaft style engines.We're already using types of these in our helicopters and some military vehicles,I got no idea if these would be effcient in comparision though.

Warp field generators anyone?
 

Shakerhood

20+ Year Stangneter
Oct 28, 2004
3,356
208
114
Ohio
Sep 12, 2007
#7
  • Sep 12, 2007
  • #7
bluevenom867 said:
Interesting Darkwriter,I agree that hydrogen shows promise,but I think we will need to move away from piston type engines,and into turbine shaft style engines.We're already using types of these in our helicopters and some military vehicles,I got no idea if these would be effcient in comparision though.

Warp field generators anyone?
Click to expand...

Chrysler experimented with Turbine cars I think somewhere in early 60s and made about 50 of them, I think there are still 5 or 6 in operation.
 

bluevenom867

I will have images of molesting stuffed animals in
Dec 15, 2003
1,704
1
0
St.Petersburg,FL
Sep 12, 2007
#8
  • Sep 12, 2007
  • #8
Shakerhood said:
Chrysler experimented with Turbine cars I think somewhere in early 60s and made about 50 of them, I think there are still 5 or 6 in operation.
Click to expand...

Yea,I had seen some of those on TV,apperantly they where just too much to maintain for the average person.
 

Ozz

I think I have a problem here.
Founding Member
Jul 27, 2001
3,514
66
109
Canton, MI
Sep 12, 2007
#9
  • Sep 12, 2007
  • #9
Sal Twa.ter sounds like a good porno name, doesn't it?
 

Wallzy

New Member
Aug 20, 2006
128
0
0
Orlando, FL
Sep 12, 2007
#10
  • Sep 12, 2007
  • #10
It is interesting, but it will take much more energy to create the fuel than you will get out of burning it. It has some promise in communities that may choose to set up a transportation system, but the long term effects of the radio wave emissions will need to be studied.
 

1.8kmint

New Member
May 31, 2007
47
0
0
Middletown, CA
Sep 12, 2007
#11
  • Sep 12, 2007
  • #11
No way in hell this will happen within 10 years. Until people realize that oil isnt endless oil companies will shut down any type of practical hydrogen cars. They did that with the turbine cars in the 50s and 60s and they will do it again. So even if they do manage to find a way to seperate the hydrogen from the water more efficiently its doubful that we would see any type of change until at least 2020+ because the world is supposed to hit peak oil production somewhere around 2018 at the earliest which means that we will have consumed an estimated half of all oil reserves on the planet. Its a scary thought because that is less than 15 years away. We could have easily had alternative fuel sources by now for cars but oil companies will keep shutting down any practical sources. It sucks but it is the world we live in.
 

Darkwriter77

Resident Ranting Negative Nancy
5 Year Member
Jul 1, 2005
314
281
134
Apache Junction, AZ
Sep 12, 2007
#12
  • Sep 12, 2007
  • #12
Problem with turbine vehicles (from what I've seen) is a total lack of torque and a slow spool-up time. They're cool, but I can't see them being used for everyday vehicles, or at least not of the commuter type - maybe industrial and/or sports applications, perhaps. Those turbine jet-powered motorcylces are awesome to behold, and have a theoretical limitless top speed (the faster it goes, the more air it sucks in, and the faster still it goes), but owners like Jay Leno have said the thing about them that spoils it is that romping on the throttle is a slowwwwwww deal, like a turbocharger in slow-motion. Well, that and the fact that when you start one of those things up, people are looking around for either a helicopter or a Harrier jump jet to be taking off somewhere nearby.

Also, I'm not sure how/if hydrogen could be used in a turbine application.

Just had a silly idea: what about a return to STEAM power?

You see, back in the days of old, everyone used to burn stuff like coal to generate heat which would turn water into steam which would, in turn, power large pistons and such to create motion. So, you use radio waves on water to release the hydrogen and burn it (a reaction which, presumably, bonds hydrogen back with oxygen and again creates water). Use the thermal energy from that reaction to not only heat up water to create steam but also harness some of that to generate electricity (to power whatever device creates the radio waves for the initial reaction), and ... ta-daaaaa!

Of course, a hundred years or so in the future, you'd see a buttload of people moving towards the coastlines to get their free refills of salt water, up until the Federal government decries that they own the friggin' OCEANS, fences off all of the beaches, and starts charging people for salt water by the gallon...

Okay, so who wants to help me convert my Mustang over to radio-steam-power?
 

Shakerhood

20+ Year Stangneter
Oct 28, 2004
3,356
208
114
Ohio
Sep 13, 2007
#13
  • Sep 13, 2007
  • #13
1.8kmint said:
No way in hell this will happen within 10 years. Until people realize that oil isnt endless oil companies will shut down any type of practical hydrogen cars. They did that with the turbine cars in the 50s and 60s and they will do it again. So even if they do manage to find a way to seperate the hydrogen from the water more efficiently its doubful that we would see any type of change until at least 2020+ because the world is supposed to hit peak oil production somewhere around 2018 at the earliest which means that we will have consumed an estimated half of all oil reserves on the planet. Its a scary thought because that is less than 15 years away. We could have easily had alternative fuel sources by now for cars but oil companies will keep shutting down any practical sources. It sucks but it is the world we live in.
Click to expand...


I dont buy into the Peak Oil Theory as so many times in the past it has been claimed that by such and such a date will will be out of Oil. The Turbine Engine experiment was to allow you to run it on whatever fuel you liked be it gasoline, kerosine, or diesel but they just were not practical. They ran on Fuels supplied by the Petrol Industry and no one shut them down, relax and dont let the Main Stream Media keep scaring you!
 

Shakerhood

20+ Year Stangneter
Oct 28, 2004
3,356
208
114
Ohio
Sep 13, 2007
#14
  • Sep 13, 2007
  • #14
Darkwriter77 said:
Problem with turbine vehicles (from what I've seen) is a total lack of torque and a slow spool-up time. They're cool, but I can't see them being used for everyday vehicles, or at least not of the commuter type - maybe industrial and/or sports applications, perhaps. Those turbine jet-powered motorcylces are awesome to behold, and have a theoretical limitless top speed (the faster it goes, the more air it sucks in, and the faster still it goes), but owners like Jay Leno have said the thing about them that spoils it is that romping on the throttle is a slowwwwwww deal, like a turbocharger in slow-motion. Well, that and the fact that when you start one of those things up, people are looking around for either a helicopter or a Harrier jump jet to be taking off somewhere nearby.

Also, I'm not sure how/if hydrogen could be used in a turbine application.

Just had a silly idea: what about a return to STEAM power?

You see, back in the days of old, everyone used to burn stuff like coal to generate heat which would turn water into steam which would, in turn, power large pistons and such to create motion. So, you use radio waves on water to release the hydrogen and burn it (a reaction which, presumably, bonds hydrogen back with oxygen and again creates water). Use the thermal energy from that reaction to not only heat up water to create steam but also harness some of that to generate electricity (to power whatever device creates the radio waves for the initial reaction), and ... ta-daaaaa!

Of course, a hundred years or so in the future, you'd see a buttload of people moving towards the coastlines to get their free refills of salt water, up until the Federal government decries that they own the friggin' OCEANS, fences off all of the beaches, and starts charging people for salt water by the gallon...

Okay, so who wants to help me convert my Mustang over to radio-steam-power?
Click to expand...

Steam Engines were not Practical at all as you had to light them like a hour before you wanted to leave plus they were VERY Dangerous!
 

bluevenom867

I will have images of molesting stuffed animals in
Dec 15, 2003
1,704
1
0
St.Petersburg,FL
Sep 13, 2007
#15
  • Sep 13, 2007
  • #15
Darkwriter77 said:
Problem with turbine vehicles (from what I've seen) is a total lack of torque and a slow spool-up time. They're cool, but I can't see them being used for everyday vehicles, or at least not of the commuter type - maybe industrial and/or sports applications, perhaps. Those turbine jet-powered motorcylces are awesome to behold, and have a theoretical limitless top speed (the faster it goes, the more air it sucks in, and the faster still it goes), but owners like Jay Leno have said the thing about them that spoils it is that romping on the throttle is a slowwwwwww deal, like a turbocharger in slow-motion. Well, that and the fact that when you start one of those things up, people are looking around for either a helicopter or a Harrier jump jet to be taking off somewhere nearby.

Also, I'm not sure how/if hydrogen could be used in a turbine application.
Click to expand...

First off its not a turbine engine,its a turbine-shaft engine,a driveshaft still applies the power to an axle that would drive the vehicle. And also,most turbine based engine we are familar with are for use up in the air.

Plus that was only a suggestion,hell you could probably use a vien or Roots style compressor if you could get one to run in reverse to apply power.And imagine the possablity of something like that,you could use solid particulate fuel.
 

PeteyAce

Member
Jul 2, 2004
346
0
17
Sep 13, 2007
#16
  • Sep 13, 2007
  • #16
lol Sal T.w.a.t.e.r in.....external cumbustion
 

bluevenom867

I will have images of molesting stuffed animals in
Dec 15, 2003
1,704
1
0
St.Petersburg,FL
Sep 13, 2007
#17
  • Sep 13, 2007
  • #17
PeteyAce said:
lol Sal T.w.a.t.e.r in.....external cumbustion
Click to expand...

More like rocket perpulsion.
 

1.8kmint

New Member
May 31, 2007
47
0
0
Middletown, CA
Sep 13, 2007
#18
  • Sep 13, 2007
  • #18
Darkwriter77 said:
Problem with turbine vehicles (from what I've seen) is a total lack of torque and a slow spool-up time. They're cool, but I can't see them being used for everyday vehicles, or at least not of the commuter type - maybe industrial and/or sports applications, perhaps. Those turbine jet-powered motorcylces are awesome to behold, and have a theoretical limitless top speed (the faster it goes, the more air it sucks in, and the faster still it goes), but owners like Jay Leno have said the thing about them that spoils it is that romping on the throttle is a slowwwwwww deal, like a turbocharger in slow-motion. Well, that and the fact that when you start one of those things up, people are looking around for either a helicopter or a Harrier jump jet to be taking off somewhere nearby.

Also, I'm not sure how/if hydrogen could be used in a turbine application.

Just had a silly idea: what about a return to STEAM power?

You see, back in the days of old, everyone used to burn stuff like coal to generate heat which would turn water into steam which would, in turn, power large pistons and such to create motion. So, you use radio waves on water to release the hydrogen and burn it (a reaction which, presumably, bonds hydrogen back with oxygen and again creates water). Use the thermal energy from that reaction to not only heat up water to create steam but also harness some of that to generate electricity (to power whatever device creates the radio waves for the initial reaction), and ... ta-daaaaa!

Of course, a hundred years or so in the future, you'd see a buttload of people moving towards the coastlines to get their free refills of salt water, up until the Federal government decries that they own the friggin' OCEANS, fences off all of the beaches, and starts charging people for salt water by the gallon...

Okay, so who wants to help me convert my Mustang over to radio-steam-power?
Click to expand...

Or we could always just power our cars with our microwaves. Thats basically what your saying.... They already have the resonating frequency of water figured out... Thats how a microwave works we wouldnt even need radio waves the waves that come out of your microwave resonate with the water and will boil it and make steam. Just to throw a spin out there... Ill help you with your steam power as soon as i get my flux-capacitor installed.
 

bluevenom867

I will have images of molesting stuffed animals in
Dec 15, 2003
1,704
1
0
St.Petersburg,FL
Sep 13, 2007
#19
  • Sep 13, 2007
  • #19
1.8kmint said:
Or we could always just power our cars with our microwaves. Thats basically what your saying.... They already have the resonating frequency of water figured out... Thats how a microwave works we wouldnt even need radio waves the waves that come out of your microwave resonate with the water and will boil it and make steam. Just to throw a spin out there... Ill help you with your steam power as soon as i get my flux-capacitor installed.
Click to expand...

Yes,but what would ya power to microwave producer with?

Lets all go with nuclear reactor power electric cars,only problem would be one accident and everything is contaminated,or worse yet core melt down. Hmm, wonder what insurance for that would cost?
 

foxmustangman

Member
Jun 20, 2007
196
1
16
Idaho
Sep 13, 2007
#20
  • Sep 13, 2007
  • #20
Power the microwave with an insanley poweful alternator run by the driveline.
 
  • 1
  • 2
Next
1 of 2 Next Last
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

O
Sooty/Oily Front Engine & Pulleys
  • ozenator
  • Jun 15, 2026
  • 1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk-
Replies
12
Views
271
1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk- Jun 22, 2026
Blackhawkxx
R
What's it Worth? 1997 Cobra, a ton of mods and restoration
  • riored97snake
  • Jun 18, 2026
  • What is it Worth?!?!?
Replies
2
Views
158
What is it Worth?!?!? Jun 21, 2026
riored97snake
R
5
Hello Everyone !
  • 5150K
  • Jul 3, 2026
  • The Welcome Wagon
Replies
0
Views
72
The Welcome Wagon Jul 3, 2026
5150K
5
M
Resolved 1988 Foxbody - Overheating Summer
  • MDrisc
  • Oct 26, 2025
  • Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech
Replies
16
Views
669
Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech Friday at 12:37 PM
fasterthangas
F
B
'03 GT Fuel Pump/Pressure/Delivery Issue
  • Brodach
  • Oct 21, 2025
  • SN95 4.6L Mustang Tech
Replies
8
Views
888
SN95 4.6L Mustang Tech Oct 31, 2025
gkomo
Share:
Bluesky Email Share Link
  • Mustang Forums
  • 1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk-
Menu
Log in

Register

  • Forums
  • What's new
  • Media
  • Resources
  • Contact
  • Sponsor
X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?

X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?