Is It Time To Change Things Up?

GroverDill · Dec 29, 2016

I have owned my 93 Fox for over 20 years now and have been through a bunch of changes with it over the years. I have gone from a basic bolt on car to H/C/I car to a blownH/C/I car to what it is now Turbo 363. Since moving to North Idaho ( I freaking love it here ) in 2013 I have done next to nothing to the car. I did install a Cobra PS rack, that is about it.

The car scene here is very different than SoCal, almost everything is a classic or current model and our beloved Foxes fall in that middle ground with no real home. So this combined with my rekindled love for motorcycles, lack of E85 my Fox has spent the last year in my shop only coming out a handful of times. I have even considered selling it, I doubt it would sell as 25k for a Fox is not an easy sell.

With all that said,I think I need to change things up. Unable to find a tuner to retune the car I am considering a complete make over. I am considering some form of N/A power and hopping off the boosted bandwagon. Pump Gas is 100% a must, huge power numbers take a distant second to drivability.

So lets talk about that....

What do I do?

Sell the entire drivetrain and replace it all with a Coyote set up

Dump the turbo, cam swap, maybe change to the newer holley EFI for that self tuning love?

I dont know what to do, but I am wanting to do something. This could all be wasted typing and nothing will change...

General karthief · Dec 29, 2016

I kinda like the ' dump the turbo/cam swap' and put that stuff away for now.

RaggedGT · Dec 29, 2016

Twin Turbos and Alcohol?
lol I'm just kidding.
If it was detuned and pump gas friendly ,would you take it out of the garage more often?

GroverDill · Dec 29, 2016

Yes I like to think I would. I should prolly just find a remote tuner before I make and rash (and expensive) decisions

CarMichael Angelo · Dec 29, 2016

GroverDill said:
I have owned my 93 Fox for over 20 years now and have been through a bunch of changes with it over the years. I have gone from a basic bolt on car to H/C/I car to a blownH/C/I car to what it is now Turbo 363. Since moving to North Idaho ( I freaking love it here ) in 2013 I have done next to nothing to the car. I did install a Cobra PS rack, that is about it.

The car scene here is very different than SoCal, almost everything is a classic or current model and our beloved Foxes fall in that middle ground with no real home. So this combined with my rekindled love for motorcycles, lack of E85 my Fox has spent the last year in my shop only coming out a handful of times. I have even considered selling it, I doubt it would sell as 25k for a Fox is not an easy sell.

With all that said,I think I need to change things up. Unable to find a tuner to retune the car I am considering a complete make over. I am considering some form of N/A power and hopping off the boosted bandwagon. Pump Gas is 100% a must, huge power numbers take a distant second to drivability.

So lets talk about that....

What do I do?

Sell the entire drivetrain and replace it all with a Coyote set up

Dump the turbo, cam swap, maybe change to the newer holley EFI for that self tuning love?

I dont know what to do, but I am wanting to do something. This could all be wasted typing and nothing will change...

And yet another turbocharger falls victim to sensibility.
I've always thought that you have a beautiful car, and I've always stood on my little soap box siding w/ driveability as the main modification goal.

Now,..that said...A mod motor looks really good in these cars (seems I was saying this same junk just today) They run like a sewing machine, Look like a Boss, and make more than enough power to make a fun daily driver. Granted, after having as much power as you've had, it may seem lack luster, but I found it to be the "different" that I was looking for. For me,...I'd like to see one w/ a IR throttle body setup looking like Webers, but w/o the hassle.

A Coyote on the other hand will obviously require the additional control pack,..whereas a Mod motor can run off of the dreaded MS system....

Mustang5L5 · Dec 29, 2016

Twin turbo coyote

GroverDill · Dec 29, 2016

MY lack of a BS3 tuner still remains unless I change the EFI control system.

Holley has 20% off till the 31st!

Maybe I should dump the BS3 for the holley set up?

TOOLOW91 · Dec 29, 2016

Put the holley in it and turn it down a hair to run pump gas.

Guys preach high hp windsor cant be driven..... Ive driven up to 120+miles one way in the dead of summer. Daily drove my car for a week straight at mustang week. With an a9p and a pms . Dinosaur stuff. I make half what you do. 581 at the tire as of now but plan on making another 100-120 or so with the YSI.

I know it can be done with what you have. You will never be satisfied after making silly power trying to go backwards.

hoopty5.0 · Dec 29, 2016

NA big-inch Windsor. 427, large heads, mild cam. Would be driveable and still make gobs of power

Boosted92LX · Dec 29, 2016

hoopty5.0 said:
NA big-inch Windsor. 427, large heads, mild cam. Would be driveable and still make gobs of power

Doesn't grover still have the stock hood?

Boosted92LX · Dec 29, 2016

I say coyote, but that's my thing these days. Btw, they make a bell housing for a tko...

GroverDill · Dec 29, 2016

I do have a stock hood and that is 100% staying. I guess my real problem is the car is tuned for e85 and the nearest place that sells e85 is now 3 hours away and I have no local resources for improving the drivability tune.

So even if I want to just keep the combo as it is I need a pump gas tune and for whatever reason Big Stuff 3 is like black magic here, no one seems to know anything about them.

I think my combo without the turbo and a higher reving cam would be fun, although massive overkill for 400-450 rwhp. The car currently has Viper T56 in it so I could reuse the trans.

A5literMan · Dec 29, 2016

Just swap to Holley and turn the boost/timing down? Holley system is what I would do. Swapping to a coyote sounds cool but will you be satisfied with that power level(or want more)? Also a n/a 363 would be just as powerful/drivable

General karthief · Dec 30, 2016

If you tune for pump gas, tone down the boost a tad so you can drive it more often you'd still be a bad boy intown, right?
All sensibility aside, adjust for the situation.

Noobz347 · Dec 30, 2016

I vote to leave it alone and bring home another project that will be nothing like the current monster.

GroverDill · Dec 30, 2016

I did recently buy a ranger off a co-worker for $400. The 5 speed was trashed so I had it rebuilt. I am actually installing it today. 2wd 94 4.0 extended cab.

To be clear this is a make it run project, no mods! I can use a decent cheap little pick up.

hoopty5.0 · Dec 30, 2016

Why can't you remote tune the BS3? Email some logs and they send you the tune. Should be easy to back off the timing and fuel that way, but my only experience is with tunerstudio so what do I know. Just guessing.

FoxMustangLvr · Dec 30, 2016

GroverDill said:
I have owned my 93 Fox for over 20 years now and have been through a bunch of changes with it over the years. I have gone from a basic bolt on car to H/C/I car to a blownH/C/I car to what it is now Turbo 363. Since moving to North Idaho ( I freaking love it here ) in 2013 I have done next to nothing to the car. I did install a Cobra PS rack, that is about it.

The car scene here is very different than SoCal, almost everything is a classic or current model and our beloved Foxes fall in that middle ground with no real home. So this combined with my rekindled love for motorcycles, lack of E85 my Fox has spent the last year in my shop only coming out a handful of times. I have even considered selling it, I doubt it would sell as 25k for a Fox is not an easy sell.

With all that said,I think I need to change things up. Unable to find a tuner to retune the car I am considering a complete make over. I am considering some form of N/A power and hopping off the boosted bandwagon. Pump Gas is 100% a must, huge power numbers take a distant second to drivability.

So lets talk about that....

What do I do?

Sell the entire drivetrain and replace it all with a Coyote set up

Dump the turbo, cam swap, maybe change to the newer holley EFI for that self tuning love?

I dont know what to do, but I am wanting to do something. This could all be wasted typing and nothing will change...

With lots of possibilities of combos to change to there will be one common change regardless of combo, GOODBYE BS3! So why not just start there. If I'm understanding your frustration correctly, your issue is not with your engine combo, its with your EFI tuning system. If there is local support for Holley EFI then go with that. Once you get that dialed in if you feel the need to be NA then go for it.

General karthief · Dec 30, 2016

I thought the big problem was lack of local e85
They ain't figured out how to turn taters into fuel?

95BlueStallion · Dec 30, 2016

GroverDill said:
I do have a stock hood and that is 100% staying. I guess my real problem is the car is tuned for e85 and the nearest place that sells e85 is now 3 hours away and I have no local resources for improving the drivability tune.

So even if I want to just keep the combo as it is I need a pump gas tune and for whatever reason Big Stuff 3 is like black magic here, no one seems to know anything about them.

I think my combo without the turbo and a higher reving cam would be fun, although massive overkill for 400-450 rwhp. The car currently has Viper T56 in it so I could reuse the trans.

I think taking the turbo off and re configuring your 363 would be every bit as much fun as switching to a coyote, if you were to end up making big changes. The 363 could/would have way more torque, and that to me is 75% of the fun on the street. Just trading my '11 GT for a 6.1 Liter (370ci) SRT8 has shown me how much more fun the extra torque is. I also agree that I would start with changing tuning systems and seeing if you can make your current combo more suitable for your geographic needs though.

Is It Time To Change Things Up?

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