kenne bell or procharger

[FOOT2DFLOOR]

Im about to purchase a S/C or some sort. Heres my delima I have a Kenne Bell 2.1 available to buy or an ati procharger i believe is and SCI comes with intercooler, cog belt blah blah.... Both from guys I know and the price difference is only a few hundered bucks, so which should I get? The Kenne Bell simplicity/style with always in max boost response, or the holy crap thats alot of psi/ ooh look at that cool intercooler procharger kit? This is racking my brain guys help me out Oh and this car is just a wicked little street machine not a drag car.

 

[ID89GT]

If its for street, I would say the Kenne Bell, but the procharger is pretty good too, idk tough choice

 

[bubba-dough]

.... SCI comes with intercooler, cog belt blah blah....

Is it a P-1SC, D-1SC or D-1? Is it the renegarde version (they are loud & awesome!).

 

[2000xp8]

Remember that a KB is not the same on a pushrod engine as it is on a modular, there is no room for a much needed intercooler. If you are going to beat the crap out of the car, be prepared for blown head gaskets.

Out of those 2, the procharger would be my choice.

Not sure what you are paying for either of those, just consider the base vortech kit is under 2 grand, brand new. And leaves plenty of room to grow in the future.

 

[Sicarius428]

procharger
Kevin

 

[Bullitt347]

Kenne Bell............................ but I am biased

 

[Jaym14]

procharger all the way... I love k.b.'s but that procharger is going to give you much more bang for the buck.

 

[FOOT2DFLOOR]

Is it a P-1SC, D-1SC or D-1? Is it the renegarde version (they are loud & awesome!).

The guy said its the D-1SC, and has the straight cut race gears. Do those make it the renagade your talking about? He said they howl like crazy

Remember that a KB is not the same on a pushrod engine as it is on a modular, there is no room for a much needed intercooler. If you are going to beat the crap out of the car, be prepared for blown head gaskets.

Would you mind explaining what you mean about the KB please? Are they not as efficient as they say?

 

[bubba-dough]

The guy said its the D-1SC, and has the straight cut race gears. He said they howl like crazy :

I am pretty sure they can go to 25 lbs of boost. There is a D-1 in the black car in the link in my sig. It is freakin loud. Being in the dyno bay sort of drowns it out though. I love stopping & idleing somewhere in it, and people having to plug their ears because of the whistle.

 

[banks]

The guy said its the D-1SC, and has the straight cut race gears. Do those make it the renagade your talking about? He said they howl like crazy



Would you mind explaining what you mean about the KB please? Are they not as efficient as they say?

unlike a mod motor, you can't run an intercooler in pushrod motor. you won't be able to safely run any amount of boost without an intercooler. you are at a great risk up popping a head gasket like mentiond above. with the procharger you will be able to run an intercooler and becasue of that you will be able to run more boost and make more power.

I have a lightning with a whipple 3.4 on it at 19 psi and i would never be able to run that without an intercooler. the intake temps would skyrocket

 

[FOOT2DFLOOR]

I am pretty sure they can go to 25 lbs of boost. There is a D-1 in the black car in the link in my sig. It is freakin loud. Being in the dyno bay sort of drowns it out though. I love stopping & idleing somewhere in it, and people having to plug their ears because of the whistle.

hahaha thats freakin awsome!

unlike a mod motor, you can't run an intercooler in pushrod motor. you won't be able to safely run any amount of boost without an intercooler. you are at a great risk up popping a head gasket like mentiond above. with the procharger you will be able to run an intercooler and becasue of that you will be able to run more boost and make more power.

I have a lightning with a whipple 3.4 on it at 19 psi and i would never be able to run that without an intercooler. the intake temps would skyrocket

Gotcha.... im wanting 12 lbs max. how much hotter would the KB's get than the procharger?

 

[banks]

hahaha thats freakin awsome!



Gotcha.... im wanting 12 lbs max. how much hotter would the KB's get than the procharger?

it's not that the kd's get hotter (they both get hot) but the prochargers would allow you to incorporat in intercooler to cool the hot air. The kb will not allow you to do this on a pushrod motor to my understanding.

the hotter the air coming in the more prone you are to detinition leading to a blown head gasket or worse.

to give you an idea on my lightning at 19 psi i was seeing intake temps under the supercharger at 110 degrees. That is with an intercooler. i also have a custom inlet on the s/c that was designed to lower those temps as well. can you imagine what the temps would be without in intercooler? the would be extremely high. without an intercooler you wouldn't even be able to push 12 pounds with either s/c safely

 

[FOOT2DFLOOR]

Hmm... ok, i see what your sayin and it makes sense. But isnt that why you retard the timing and run a BTM, to prevent detonation? And KB talks about how cool their blowers run on the web site. Also im gonna have it tuned once I install a s/c. And going back to head gaskets, ive heard o ring gaskets work nicely with forced induction motors, what are your thoughts on those? I dont wanna sound like im contradicting what your telling me, I just pick as much info outta people as i can haha.

 

[banks]

Hmm... ok, i see what your sayin and it makes sense. But isnt that why you retard the timing and run a BTM, to prevent detonation? And KB talks about how cool their blowers run on the web site. Also im gonna have it tuned once I install a s/c. And going back to head gaskets, ive heard o ring gaskets work nicely with forced induction motors, what are your thoughts on those? I dont wanna sound like im contradicting what your telling me, I just pick as much info outta people as i can haha.

no worries, i'm just like you and try to understand as much as i can before i buy a product.

My question is this tho, why would you want a kb and have to retard the timing because of heat issues to avoid detination when you can run an intercooled procharger and make use of the boost and run more timing in it. I'm new to pushrod motors as i just bought my first mustang and have been modding my Lightning for 4 years now, but i don't believe they make an intercooler kit for the kb on a pushrod motor.

As far as the head gaskets go I know there a lot of Lightning guys running MLS gaskets and running 25 psi without a problem

 

[FOOT2DFLOOR]

My question is this tho, why would you want a kb and have to retard the timing because of heat issues to avoid detination when you can run an intercooled procharger and make use of the boost and run more timing in it. I'm new to pushrod motors as i just bought my first mustang and have been modding my Lightning for 4 years now, but i don't believe they make an intercooler kit for the kb on a pushrod motor.

Yea as far as I know theres not a KB intercooler for 5.0, if there is ive never heard of or seen one. Well im leaning towards the KB because of it simplicity and cleanliness. But i do want plenty of power also, dont you have to take timing out no matter what kind of forced induction you use? And I should have mentioned this earlier but i forgot, im running a all aluminum Griffin radiator, man when i put that thing in i bet it cut my engine temp down 30%. It never accually fully "warms up" even after 30 min of driving the piss out of it. So if the KB creates heat like you mentioned would it not put my temps back to where they were before? The car has always been good about running cool.

 

[banks]

Yea as far as I know theres not a KB intercooler for 5.0, if there is ive never heard of or seen one. Well im leaning towards the KB because of it simplicity and cleanliness. But i do want plenty of power also, dont you have to take timing out no matter what kind of forced induction you use? And I should have mentioned this earlier but i forgot, im running a all aluminum Griffin radiator, man when i put that thing in i bet it cut my engine temp down 30%. It never accually fully "warms up" even after 30 min of driving the piss out of it. So if the KB creates heat like you mentioned would it not put my temps back to where they were before? The car has always been good about running cool.

yes you are correct.. no matter what kind of forced induction you use you have to retard timing. but seeing that the kb is not intercooled you are going to have to retard it any more. You're radiator will have little to no effect on the temps coming out of the supercharger and going into you're motor. The air must go through an intercooler to be properly cooled to make the most of your supercharger. imo you'll be wasting your money on the kb and won't be as happy as you would with the procharger.

if it was a mod motor i would say different

 

[bubba-dough]

What kind of fan do you have and how thick is your radiator? We had clearance issues with the alum. rad., Flex-A-Lite, and the cogged D-1.

 

[FOOT2DFLOOR]

You're radiator will have little to no effect on the temps coming out of the supercharger and going into you're motor. The air must go through an intercooler to be properly cooled to make the most of your supercharger.

Yea i know the radiator doesnt cool my air any, but it keeps the heads cooler. Ok in the case of the non cooled air coming in, whats the difference in the temp of the air comin in naturally aspirated vs the blower? bc the KB just draws in air from the intake tube just like it would with a cold air tube. I realize that there will be a bit of heat to air tranfer inside the blower itself while goin by the screws but is it that significant?

What kind of fan do you have and how thick is your radiator? We had clearance issues with the alum. rad., Flex-A-Lite, and the cogged D-1.

Its a single row 1.75" with a 1/2" shroud and low profile 12" electric fan. I cant remember the brand, its what we used a Griffin when i worked there.

 

[MikeROD16]

KB.....but of course, I would choose KB over anything lol.

 

[2000xp8]

The heat is significant, there's a reason nobody ever uses a kenne bell on a pushrod engine in pretty much any type of competition.
Without the inner cooler they just aren't that good.

Take a look at the numbers a non intercooled modular engine gets with a twin screw supercharger, then look at the intercooled numbers. The intercooler is what makes the new ones good.

The pro charger you list should cover all your needs pretty much forever. If you are satisfied with 400rwhp or less, get the Kb, if you want more get the pro charger.

As jaym said above, the PC is going to give you way more bang for your buck.