What's NVH??? I think I want to order my parts tonight... and thought mm were supposed to be the best... but these shop owners always try to talk me out of the brand I want and say it's not necessary to spend so much...
I refuse to buy any of that crap called MAC. I have seen too many of their suspension parts break. It is pure junk. I would get MM. They are built strong, have spherical bushings on the axle end and poly on the chasis end and eliminate binding of the axle and prevents axle movement. One of the best setups. You really dont need UCA's as the stockers are fine.
The car may have a tad bit more NVH from them but they are more of an improvement over the stock LCA's
A good set right here.
Pulleys made a bigger improvement on Fox bodied Mustangs. Not so much on the SN95s. Unfortunately, I have no first hand info on this. Just a statement I've read several times.Thats crap from the new breed of stangers that havent tried them or are scared of trying them. The "plenum generation" if you will. Back in the day, pulleys were proven over and over again with dynos and track times on these very boards. For those that remember, I thinking of when Bill Putnam actually frequented stangnet. San remembers I'm sure.
How can you argue with improved fuel economy (and about 7hp) for 150 bucks anyway - gas is crazy expensive these days.
Unless you do a lot of autocross, or strait line drag racing with a set of Drag Radials or better out back, don't even bother with the LCA's. They'll just turn into one of those mods you know you have, but never feel.
You'd never notice them under anything but the most aggressive driving and they'll actually make your 60ft times worse without a good set of tires out back to match them up to. Not to mention provide a harsher ride out back with the solid or urethane bushings replacing the factory rubber ones. Yes….once you’ve decided that you’re going to make this car handle like it’s on rail, or plan on spending a lot of time at the strip, then by all means upgrade them, but otherwise, don’t waste your money. There’s a reason MM, Steeda and the Previous Kenny Brown Performance promote “handling/drag racing packages” over just the sale of a single item. You’ve got to go over the car from one end to the other to really notice the difference the components as a whole make. Anyone who states anything to the contrary has fooled themselves into thinking they've actually made an improvement to their car in order to justify the money they've spent!
Well I felt a difference as just about every other person who has installed these. Worst advice yet in this thread.Unless you do a lot of autocross, or strait line drag racing with a set of Drag Radials or better out back, don't even bother with the LCA's. They'll just turn into one of those mods you know you have, but never feel.
Sorry more innacurate info as the stock LCA's suck compared to MM ones. Honestly if you plan on building the suspension for drag racing then you are stupid in general for not running a decent tire. However, that doesnt mean these wouldnt improve handling and making the car better to drive for those daily drivers.You'd never notice them under anything but the most aggressive driving and they'll actually make your 60ft times worse without a good set of tires out back to match them up to. Not to mention provide a harsher ride out back with the solid or urethane bushings replacing the factory rubber ones. Yes….once you’ve decided that you’re going to make this car handle like it’s on rail, or plan on spending a lot of time at the strip, then by all means upgrade them, but otherwise, don’t waste your money. There’s a reason MM, Steeda and the Previous Kenny Brown Performance promote “handling/drag racing packages” over just the sale of a single item. You’ve got to go over the car from one end to the other to really notice the difference the components as a whole make. Anyone who states anything to the contrary has fooled themselves into thinking they've actually made an improvement to their car in order to justify the money they've spent!
What's NVH??? I think I want to order my parts tonight... and thought mm were supposed to be the best... but these shop owners always try to talk me out of the brand I want and say it's not necessary to spend so much...
I didn’t say anything about them not allowing the rear end to plant any harder. As a matter of fact, that’s exactly what they do. That being said, I can't count on both hands the amount of guys I've seen at the track who've changed nothing else, end up with worse 60ft times because of the use of beefed up LCA's alone. Yes, they plant the rear end harder, but that's where the problem lies. A stock radial has a harder compound rubber on the tread face and stiffer side walls that don't buckle or hook anything like a slick, or even a DOT drag radial. When you stomp the rear end like that, it "shocks" the rear tires causing them to break loose that much easier. Lower Control Arms are great for consistency, but without further traction enhancements, your more often than not consistently worse.Brian,
I have to disagree with you there. After my friend and I installed my MM std LCA's, we went out for a test drive. I could immediately feel the difference as the rear planted from a standstill takeoff. Even he noticed the difference (he has a 00 GT) and was surprised as well.
San
Well I felt a difference as just about every other person who has installed these. Worst advice yet in this thread.
I didn’t say anything about them not allowing the rear end to plant any harder. As a matter of fact, that’s exactly what they do. That being said, I can't count on both hands the amount of guys I've seen at the track who've changed nothing else, end up with worse 60ft times because of the use of beefed up LCA's alone. Yes, they plant the rear end harder, but that's where the problem lies. A stock radial has a harder compound rubber on the tread face and stiffer side walls that don't buckle or hook anything like a slick, or even a DOT drag radial. When you stomp the rear end like that, it "shocks" the rear tires causing them to break loose that much easier. Lower Control Arms are great for consistency, but without further traction enhancements, your more often than not consistently worse.
You believe what you'd like, but the LCA's on an otherwise stock car do very little to improve strait line acceleration and handling alone. This misinformation has been running around for years now and instead of questioning it, most people just accept it as gospel because it seems to be the buzz amongst enthusiasts that don’t often know any better. Ask anyone who’s serious about drag racing, or autocross racing and they’ll tell you that running any one part alone, isn’t going to win you any races!
You call it bad advice….I say the only thing worse than bad advice, is a person who consistently walks around with their blinders on and believes everything they hear, just because it sounds like the right answer. Before you criticize, go back and re-read what I posted above and pay attention this time. I didn’t imply a set of LCA’s wouldn’t improve traction or handling at all. I stated that without additional supporting parts, their impact would be minimal. LCA’s alone won’t shave any time at all off of your track time, but combine them with stickier tires, sub frame connectors, autocross or drag friendly shock and spring combinations and then you’ve got a contender.
My suggestion to anyone wanting improve the way their car handles or accelerates would be to purchase all or most of the suspension and/or chassis stiffening components at once and install them together. Or if money is tight, buy them one at a time and wait until you’ve accumulated the necessary combination of parts before installing them for maximum effect. It’s just like adding a set of cams to a stock car. The cams alone although they provide a nice lumpy idle really won’t improve things a whole lot, but combining them with host of intake and exhaust mods and/or a recalibrated EEC will really let you extract their full potential. And in turn provide a much more satisfying feeling afterwards.
Be careful where you’re pointing fingers and what you’re quoting as bad advice….cause the guy who decides to go against the grain may be the one who walks up and down both sides of your car at the track next time you run…..and perhaps with a lot fewer high dollar and possibly unnecessary parts in their car when they do it.
honestly, if i were to do it all over again, i wouldnt buy lca's and sfc's untill i was making some real power.
+1. I could feel NO difference at all when I had my MM FL SFCs welded on. Kind of regretting them since I want to go with a side exhaust setup.
+1. I could feel NO difference at all when I had my MM FL SFCs welded on. Kind of regretting them since I want to go with a side exhaust setup.
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