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I just put my 93GT on obd1 tester and came up with codes 21,41,91. My tester came with a manuel and I also have the haynes book. 41 in the haynes manuel says lean fuel mixture and in tester manual says HO2s sensor voltage low/system lean. 91 haynes manuel says oxygen sensor problem, fuel pressure out of specified range or injectors out of balance. tester manuel says the same as 41. My question is from the codes that I got which is the most likely problem? How would I determine if its my oxygen sensors, injectors or fuel pressure? I dont want to waist my time and money on a part that is still functioning correctly.

Basically what I am looking for are small tricks to pinpoint the exact problem.
If I disconnect my o2 sensors will it run better and not lean which would tell me they are bad? Anything you guys can tell me is much appriciated.

oh yea I know 21 is tempature sensor out of range and thats prob why my temp is running alittle high. gonna get a new one in a few days.

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I hope you have a good analog voltmeter or a DVM with an analog bar graph on the voltmeter scale, because you are going to need it.


Code 21 – ECT sensor out of range. Broken or damaged wiring, bad ECT sensor. Note that that if the outside air temp is below 50 degrees F that the test for the ECT can be in error.

The ECT sensor has absolutely nothing to do with the temperature gauge. They are different animals. The ECT sensor is normally located in the RH front of the engine in the metal water feed tubes for the heater.

The ACT & ECT have the same thermistor, so the table values are the same

ACT & ECT test data:

Use Pin 46 on the computer for ground for both ECT & ACT to get most accurate readings.

Pin 7 on the computer - ECT signal in. at 176 degrees F it should be .80 volts

Pin 25 on the computer - ACT signal in. at 50 degrees F it should be 3.5 volts. It is a good number if the ACT is mounted in the inlet airbox. If it is mounted in the lower intake manifold, the voltage readings will be lower because of the heat transfer.

Voltages may be measured across the ECT/ACT by probing the connector from the rear. Use care in doing it so that you don't damage the wiring or connector.

Here's the table :

68 degrees F = 3.02 v
86 degrees F = 2.62 v
104 degrees F = 2.16 v
122 degrees F = 1.72 v
140 degrees F = 1.35 v
158 degrees F = 1.04 v
176 degrees F = .80 v
194 degrees F = .61

Note that all resistance tests must be done with power off. Measuring resistance with a circuit powered on will give false readings and possibly damage the meter.

Ohms measures at the computer with the computer disconnected, or at the sensor with the sensor disconnected.
50 degrees F = 58.75 K ohms
68 degrees F = 37.30 K ohms
86 degrees F = 27.27 K ohms
104 degrees F = 16.15 K ohms
122 degrees F = 10.97 K ohms
140 degrees F = 7.60 K ohms
158 degrees F = 5.37 K ohms
176 degrees F = 3.84 K ohms
194 degrees F = 2.80 K ohms


Code 41 or 91 - O2 indicates system lean. Look for a vacuum leak or failing O2 sensor.
The computer sees a lean mixture signal coming from the O2 sensors and tries to compensate by adding more fuel.

The following is a Quote from Charles O. Probst, Ford fuel Injection & Electronic Engine control:
"When the mixture is lean, the exhaust gas has oxygen, about the same amount as the ambient air. So the sensor will generate less than 400 Millivolts. Remember lean = less voltage.

When the mixture is rich, there's less oxygen in the exhaust than in the ambient air , so voltage is generated between the two sides of the tip. The voltage is greater than 600 millivolts. Remember rich = more voltage.

Here's a tip: the newer the sensor, the more the voltage changes, swinging from as low as 0.1 volt to as much as 0.9 volt. As an oxygen sensor ages, the voltage changes get smaller and slower - the voltage change lags behind the change in exhaust gas oxygen.

Because the oxygen sensor generates its own voltage, never apply voltage and never measure resistance of the sensor circuit. To measure voltage signals, use an analog voltmeter with a high input impedance, at least 10 megohms. Remember, a digital voltmeter will average a changing voltage." End Quote

Measuring the O2 sensor voltage at the computer will give you a good idea of how well they are working. You'll have to pull the passenger side kick panel off to gain access to the computer connector. Remove the plastic wiring cover to get to the back side of the wiring. Use a safety pin or paper clip to probe the connections from the rear. The computer pins are 29 (LH O2 with a dark green/pink wire) and 43 (RH O2 with a dark blue/pink wire). Use the ground next to the computer to ground the voltmeter.

The O2 sensor ground (orange wire with a ring terminal on it) is in the wiring harness for the fuel injection wiring. I grounded mine to one of the intake manifold bolts
 

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The first thing I would do is check to see if the O2 sensor wiring is okay. Many times the wires get caught up on the exhaust and burn through. Thats what happened to mine and it showed a lean code. Just a thought.
 

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You next need to look at why your temp is running high..code 21 could be invalid if you are not UP to operating temp..but you should not be hot enough to cause a code 21 unless there is an issue there.
 
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damn I guess I will be doing some wire testing for the next few weeks lol. So with the code 91 and 41 you think I should be looking at the O2s first? I have been getting a strong gas odor inside the car. Could that be from bad fuel injectors? I know someone mentioned a clogged line going to the charcoal box or a bad box itself. Could that cause a lean condtion and the gas ordor?

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When was the last time you changed your o2s?
 
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well I have had the car for 2 years and I havent changed them and I have no clue when they were changed before. Hey anyone know what would happen if i just disconnected the O2 sensors?
 

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hondakiller44 said:
well I have had the car for 2 years and I havent changed them and I have no clue when they were changed before. Hey anyone know what would happen if i just disconnected the O2 sensors?
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The car will run pig rich, your eyes may burn from the gas fumes at idle, the idle will suffer and so will your wallet.
 
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NOT THE WALLET!!! lol thanks
 
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