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loss of power over 3k RPMS

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93tsiawd

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well I've read some threads and no one postes how they fixed it. I have 4.10, 5speed, e7's ported, f-cam, 1.6 rr ford, gt-40 upper and lowers, 24lbs, 255 pump, f/p adjusted to 30 psi. long tubes/no cats, borla mufflers dumped. About 5-6k miles since rebuild and I checked valves and springs they look good. and timing is at 14

I have replaced the following so far
Intake Temp sensor
o2 sensors
blocked egr(no smog)
pcv valve
msd cap
ford wires
spark plugs (autolite) gaped them autolite
msd blaster coil
valve cover breather's
fuel pump
fuel filter
checked tps (good volts)
cleaned intake filter
cleaned mass

The car has balls down low, but falls off around 3000-3500 rpms. I was wondering about any other sensors, or tunning, I also read about maybe its a bad distributor? I havent checked for vaccum leaks yet, but I will this weekend but my idel isnt bad so I doubt it (I just left the turbo world I know leaks)

also is anyone running wideband o2's and how are you tuning computer...(sorry extra question but im thinking maybe im running rich)
 
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looked at the sticky for the tps, going to make sure it is giving good reading at different throttle positions. Ill check it today and post tonight
 

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Dump the codes. If you don't find any codes, then the TFI module is suspect.

Dumping the computer diagnostic codes on 86-95 Mustangs

Revised 19-May-2009 to update drawing for dumping the codes on 86-88 Mustangs with no check engine light.

Dump the codes and see what the computer says is wrong…Codes may be present in the computer even if the Check Engine light isn’t on.

Here's the way to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

Be sure to turn off the A/C, and put the transmission in neutral when dumping the codes. Fail to do this and you will generate a code 67 and not be able to dump the Engine Running codes.

Dumping the Engine Running codes: The procedure is the same, you start the engine with the test jumper in place. Be sure the A/C is off and the transmission is in neutral. You'll get an 11, then a 4 and the engine will speed up to do the EGR test. After the engine speed decreases back to idle, it will dump the engine running codes.

Here's the link to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

See Troublcodes.net Trouble Codes OBD & OBD2 Trouble Codes and Technical info & Tool Store. By BAT Auto Technical





If your car is an 86-88 stang, you'll have to use the test lamp or voltmeter method. There is no functional check engine light on the 86-88's except possibly the Cali Mass Air cars.



The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.

89 through 95 cars have a working Check Engine light. Watch it instead of using a test lamp.



The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.


WARNING!!! There is a single dark brown connector with a black/orange wire. It is the 12 volt power to the under the hood light. Do not jumper it to the computer test connector. If you do, you will damage the computer.

What to expect:
You should get a code 11 (two single flashes in succession). This says that the computer's internal workings are OK, and that the wiring to put the computer into diagnostic mode is good. No code 11 and you have some wiring problems.

Codes have different answers if the engine is running from the answers that it has when the engine isn't running. It helps a lot to know if you had the engine running when you ran the test.

Trouble codes are either 2 digit or 3 digit, there are no cars that use both 2 digit codes and 3 digit codes.

Alternate methods:
For those who are intimidated by all the wires & connections, see Actron® for what a typical hand scanner looks like. Normal retail price is about $30 or so at AutoZone or Wal-Mart.

Or for a nicer scanner see Equus - Digital Ford Code Reader (3145) – It has a 3 digit LCD display so that you don’t have to count flashes or beeps.. Cost is $30.



TFI module problem symptoms and replacement
The TFI module mounted on the distributor is usually the culprit for a high speed miss on a warm engine. If the problem does not occur when the engine is cold, the TFI module is definitely suspect. You may need a special socket to remove the TFI module, but most auto parts stores will have one for $5-$7.

Be sure to use plenty of the heat sink grease on the new TFI and clean the old grease off the distributor.



See Automotive Tools Specialty | Auto Mechanic & Technician Diagnostic, Testing Equipment | Thexton
 

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Why is your FP set so low? Stock is 39psi with the vac off. 30PSI makes me think you might be starving for fuel.

Do you have a MAF calibrated for 24's, or are you running a lower pressure to compensate?
 
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i will run diagnostics, think i check already but i will do again. and it is 40 pis fuel sorry typo. will post tonight thanks
 
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ran the code's

ran the codes nothing came up. goin to do a compression test and make sure i dident lose a cylinder, hg, or kill the valve seats. hoping its somthing stupid, but maybe its time to buy a pair of twisted wedges.
 

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Test/replace the TFI. The TFI module mounted on the distributor is usually the culprit for a high speed miss on a warm engine. If the problem does not occur when the engine is cold, the TFI module is definitely suspect.

Do not add more variables to the equation until you have solved the current problem . You will only compound the problem and make it more difficult to find and fix.
 
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Check TFI as said above. If you have good power then falls at 3000 rpms then you more than likely have an ignition issue like the TFI a compression check is not the next logical step.
 
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3k loss

I will look into the tfi module, thanks for the replys. Ive been sick so I really havent touched the stang. Work and thanksgiving have been nuts and a head job on the old ladys gs300 have empited my pockets lol. ill check out the tfi and reply, Im also going to check the tps cause i've been slacking.
Im going to search what a tfi does, but what does it really do?

off topic for a minute how you guys feel about south side bars with stock upper and lowers for now? just looking to launch higher than 2k rpms without leaving 2, 8inch black lines and watching a honda kill me in a holeshot.
 
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tfi

I guess the tfi module is a dealer part, should I uprade distribter to MSD or does it not include tfi? a pic of it would really help out, Thanks, George
 

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Any good. auto parts store will have a TFI. Echlin, Motorcraft & Wells are good brands to choose from. Cost is about $40, try to find one with a lifetime warranty.
 
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