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XXBULLETSXX

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I'm looking to find the lowest temp thermostat that you guys are running and what you would reccomend.
Here's what mods I have if that matters:
CAI, Steeda Pulleys, Steeda Timing advance. I will be adding a new TB and Plenum soon.


Suggestions please...
 

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i wouldnt go lower than 180 on a 4.6 but that's just my opinion. also make sure you have a way to reprogram the fan on/off settings.
 
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I wouldnt go a lot lower than 180.


I read a lot of what people experianced and things, a lot of people think you shouldn't even change it.


I think 180 suits it well.. takes a little longer to warm it up, but definitely keeps it cooler after hard runs.

A cold engine can be worse than a warm engine on the internals... so I suppose thats when it becomes a matter of opinion.



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Yeah what he said
 

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Pertums said:
i wouldnt go lower than 180 on a 4.6 but that's just my opinion. also make sure you have a way to reprogram the fan on/off settings.
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Reprogram the fan???? why do you need to do that? Crap by the time my ride is done I'll have about half the value of the car in reprograming fees!
 
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No lower than 180
 

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If you go lower than 180, your car will probably LOSE HP/TQ, since the modulars are designed to make their power at "high" engine temperatures. 192-195 is not high, it's NORMAL this day in age. We're not stuck back in the 60's fellas.. let the t-stat trick go.
 

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If you go lower than 180, your car will probably LOSE HP/TQ, since the modulars are designed to make their power at "high" engine temperatures. 192-195 is not high, it's NORMAL this day in age. We're not stuck back in the 60's fellas.. let the t-stat trick go.
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Really? I thought if I lowered the temp of the engine it would help get colder air in the engine and also get the affects of like when your engine is just warming up and it runs so much better! But honestly, I'm guessing I just thought that that would work.

No one has had any increase in performance from lowering their temp?
 

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You can gain some power with a 180.
Here is a good article on the subject.
Different car, but same principals.
http://www.easyperformance.com/Tech_Info/Thermostat_Test_Content.htm
 

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so what is the vote here? does the 180t stat really help out the 4.6 ?
 

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Maybe somebody could post dyno sheets with some proof once and for all.
 

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170

i have a 170. does it help? who knows. i haven't gotten around to changing fan start temp. i am also at about 10.5-10.75:1. i need to be cool. cool plugs. i just ran stock temp until heads.
 

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So can anyone answer the question about the fan? Is the problem that the fan won't turn on? and if that's the problem, why?
 

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XXBULLETSXX said:
So can anyone answer the question about the fan? Is the problem that the fan won't turn on? and if that's the problem, why?
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Another issue that arises with the use of cooler thermostats is how the PCM uses the cooling fans behind the radiator to keep the engine cool. Nearly all contemporary cars now use electric fans to pull air through the radiator to cool the engine coolant. Only when the vehicle is at higher speeds (typically above 35 MPH) does the vehicle's motion naturally force air through the radiators and removes the need for the fans. Problems can even occur at higher speeds when drafting behind another vehicle and your car experiences less frontal air pressure. At lower speeds or in those special situations, the fans are necessary to keep the engine cool. However, these fans are controlled by the PCM and do not run all the time. Furthermore, the PCM typically controls the fans at two different speeds, Low Speed and High Speed. For many GM vehicles, the PCM will turn the fans to Low speed when the PCM sees the ECT reach ~215ºF and switches to High speed when the engine temperature reaches ~225ºF. Consequently, having a 180ºF thermostat will NOT have the engine running at ~180ºF when you are traveling below 35 MPH or in stop-n-go traffic. In this condition, the thermostat will be wide open, coolant racing through the radiator but without any airflow through the radiator, the coolant is not cooled down. Thus, the engine begins to superheat over the thermostat set temperature.
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Lowering the fon on/off temps in the eec will resolve this.
 

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XXBULLETSXX said:
So can anyone answer the question about the fan? Is the problem that the fan won't turn on? and if that's the problem, why?
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The problem is that the fan is designed to turn on at a certain temp (I want to say 212 lo speed and 230 high speed.)

If your t-stat is say 160-180, the thermostat will open at around it's given temperature, and with a normal t-stat, the fan will come on once it reaches that temp. However when you lower the t-stat temp, that leaves more for the fan to play catchup with.. the whole point of running a lower t-stat is to lower coolant/engine temps.. well, all you'll really do if you don't reprogram the fan engagement point is cycle between 180 and 212, instead of between 195-212.
 

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180
 
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It is not just fan issues. It is also that if your motor never gets up to the temperature that it was designed for it will... Hmmm, can't remember but a search of this forum will reveal the point that Gearbanger101 ALWAYS makes about this subject...
 

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the car is designed for about 195 which is optimal. Any lower and you are wasting fuel. The higher temp is to help the car burn the fuel effiecently. With lower operating temps means more unburnt fuel, means running richer because car may not reach closed loop, means O2 sensor go bad quickly, then the CAT goes. But this is strickly an ASE answer.
 

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Kilgore Trout said:
It is not just fan issues. It is also that if your motor never gets up to the temperature that it was designed for it will... Hmmm, can't remember but a search of this forum will reveal the point that Gearbanger101 ALWAYS makes about this subject...
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Ok Kilgore I give up. What does Gearbanger101 always say about this subject? Please don't keep me in suspense!
 

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180 will be fine, no lower. 180 isn't that low so you aren't going to be running too cold. I think these cars should have come stock with 180s.
 

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nex2nutin said:
the car is designed for about 195 which is optimal. Any lower and you are wasting fuel. The higher temp is to help the car burn the fuel effiecently. With lower operating temps means more unburnt fuel, means running richer because car may not reach closed loop, means O2 sensor go bad quickly, then the CAT goes. But this is strickly an ASE answer.
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EEC goes will go into closed loop if the coolant temp is above 160. I run a 180 and according to my wideband, I do not run rich in closed loop.
 
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