Maybe A Not Charging Issue.....

Black 93 Fox

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Alright my car has a Full H/C/I and all the bolt ons except a blower. I relocated the battery to the back. The car will not run right I start it up and it will run for alittle bit after it calms down then all sudden it will surge twice and die. I checked the battery for the volts while running and its at 12.7 is this too low to where it would cause issues? I am running a stock alt with the battery relocated. It has a chip but we couldnt even get it to work with a chip so I took it out. I am thinking its time to upgrade the alt what do you guys think?

Black 93 Fox
 
did you wire the relocate properly? sorry i had to ask. what gauge wire. since it is a longer run to the battery now upgrading to a larger wire is a good idea. don't cheap out on this. As far as the charging issue how many volts is your alt putting out?
 
Right now the stock alt is still wired up like from the factory. So if I hit the kill switch the car will still run. I am taking the car to the shop to have that done. I used 0 cable to run up to the start soleniod. When the car is running the volts at the battery are 12.7. I am just wondering if the next mod should be the alt upgrade and also want to make sure that this is the problem.
 
Hey thanks for the link yes I am running ud's. I am just gona take it into the shop and have them do the upgrade alt to 130 and finish the wireing for the switch. I just wanted to find out if not having enough power would cause the car to run like these and also cause things like the radio blinking off and on espicaly when I roll down the window. The alt gauge jumps all over the place when it first starts its normal then when the car starts acting up it starts jumping all over and then the car dies.
 
Rear mounted battery ground wiring. Follow this plan and you will have zero
ground problems.


One 1 gauge or 1/0 gauge wire from battery negative post to a clean shiny spot
on the chassis near the battery. Use a 5/16” bolt and bolt it down to make the
rear ground. Use a 1 gauge or 1/0 gauge wire from the rear ground bolt to a clean
shiny spot on the block.

One 4 gauge wire from the block where you connected the battery ground wire to
the chassis ground where the battery was mounted up front. Use a 5/16” bolt
and bolt down the 4 gauge engine to chassis ground, make sure that it the metal
around the bolt is clean & shiny. This is the alternator power ground.

The computer has a dedicated power ground wire with a cylindrical quick connect
(about 2 ½”long by 1” diameter. It comes out of the wiring harness near the
ignition coil & starter solenoid (or relay). Be sure to bolt it to the chassis ground
in the same place as you bolted the alternator power ground. This is an
absolute don’t overlook it item for EFI cars


Picture courtesy timewarped1972
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Crimp or even better, solder the lugs on the all the wire. The local auto stereo
shop will have them if the auto parts store doesn't. Use some heat shrink tubing
to cover the lugs and make things look nice.

For a battery cut off switch, see
http://www.moroso.com/catalog/categorydisplay.asp?catcode=42225 is
the switch http://www.moroso.com/catalog/images/74102_inst.pdf

Use the super duty switch and the following tech note to wire it and you will be
good to go.

Use the Moroso plan for the alternator wiring and you risk a fire. The 10 gauge
wire they recommend is even less adequate that the stock Mustang wiring.

There is a solution, but it will require about 40' of 18 gauge green wire.

Wire the battery to the two 1/4" posts as shown in the diagram.

The alternator requires a different approach. On the small alternator plug
there is a green wire. It is the sense lead that turns the regulator on when
the ignition switch is in the run position. Cut the green wire and solder the 40'
of green wire between the two pieces. Use some heat shrink to cover the
splices. See http://fordfuelinjection.com/?p=7 for some excellent
help on soldering & using heat shrink tubing.

Run the green wire back to the Moroso switch and cut off the excess wire.
Try to run the green wire inside the car and protect it from getting cut or
chaffed. Crimp a 18 gauge ring terminal (red is 18 gauge color code for the crimp
on terminals) on each wire. Bolt one ring terminal to each of the 3/16" studs.
Do not add the jumper between the 1/4" stud and the 3/16" stud as shown it the
Moroso diagram.

How it works:
The green wire is the ignition on sense feed to the regulator. It supplies power
to the regulator when the ignition switch is in the run position. Turn the
Moroso switch to off, and the sense voltage goes away, the voltage
regulator shuts off and the alternator quits making power.

See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) &
Stang&2Birds (website host) for help on 88-90 wiring and lots more…

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/IgnitionSwitchWiring.gif

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/fuel-alt-links-ign-ac.gif

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/88-91eecPinout.gif

Diagram courtesy of Tmoss and Stang&2birds.
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