Modded 95 vrs Modded 05 Dyno Results Inside

[final5-0]

I guess by now, its no secret to most of you that ...... I don't like mod motors.

Main reason is their lack of low end torque.

I was reading the October 5.0 rag which has lots of mod motor stuff in it, just like the other issues they put out ...... but we won't go there.

They had an 05 with JBA lt's & off road h-pipe, Dynomax mufflers, and pulleys. On page 131 you see an article where they install a CMRC delete kit and give the results of the gain with a pull showing chart and numeric rw hp/tq values.

I was kinda sorta impressed by their results and thought to myself ...

What would that modded 05 look like next to my modded 95 which I consider to be typical of the average bolt on 94-95 Stang. I say this to point out that this post is not all about ...... just my car.

I have an Excell file that I built which allows me to easily compare combos to mine and each other.

I plugged in the Mighty Mod Motored 05 in the rag and put it next to my humble combo to see what was what.

The differences are not as much as I expected in the higher rpm range but still, the low end is pretty soft on the 05. It doesn't make 300lbs of torque until 3500rm.

I had the opportunity to drive an 05 stick car shortly after they came out and it was a real Bow Wow Dog until you got the revs to mid range or slightly higher. At that point it would really move for sure.

Everything else about the 05 I absolutely love btw.

I guess Ford has found the right solution for the mod motors lack luster low end performance. Put a positive displacement blower on it to prop up the low end.

Final thoughts ......

PUSHRODS FOREVER

Anyway ...... you can see a modded 95 and 05 next to each other which make close to the same peak numbers.

Later
Grady

 

[5spd GT]

Nice post

The 05 did better than I thought it would...I like them even more now. Nice curves on both.

 

[DFG 5OH]

i was talking to patrick about a 98 cobra, and most 98 cobra owners will put 4.30's or 4.56 gears in because of the incredible lack of bottom end. The 4v motor is a good engine...but i dont think i could give up the low end of the 5.0 for the high end of a 4.6

 

[final5-0]

Nice post

The 05 did better than I thought it would...I like them even more now. Nice curves on both.

I thought this might be interesting to some of the peeps on this site as I know many, like you, see the mod motors from a different view point than myself.

Ever since I was a kid of about 16 and drove my first big block motored car I was hooked on low end torque.

I saw in that same mag that lt's for that 05 came with a price tag of about
$1100

I don't think I can afford to mod an 05

Later
Grady

 

[CManT1914]

I saw in that same mag that lt's for that 05 came with a price tag of about
$1100

I don't think I can afford to mod an 05

Later
Grady

Nice little writeup Grady.

Even the midpipes for an 05 cost more than $300, some were upwards of $400!! For a CATLESS midpipe!! No thanks.

 

[5spd GT]

The prices will drop...just like it always works. Just check back in a few years:

mattihiasj - I will have to disagree...I have friends with 4v's whether it be mystic 96 Cobra's or 03 cobra's or 04 mach 1. They get gears to keep them in the power making band.

I don't see them having a lack of lowend torque just a lot of higher end power.

final50 - I love my torque as well...look at my parts. 165's instead of 185's/Performer instead of RPM/Custom cam instead of high revver/65mm TB instead of bigger TB...etc.

 

[wytstang]

Nice write Grady

 

[yellow1995Cobra]

Good stuff. Those 3v motors are pretty impressive. They make real good power for such few mods.

 

[final5-0]

Good stuff. Those 3v motors are pretty impressive. They make real good power for such few mods.

I think so as well.

I do wanna make if clear that the 05 really was snappy but you had to have quite a few revs on it before that kind of thing was felt.

I don't know about the rest of you but when I'm cruising around town and want some push me back in the seat kind of power I want it at those cruising speeds and I don't wanna have to wait for it.

Or in other words I don't wanna have to drive around town with the motor at a high rpm level like some kind of 2 stroke to be in the position for some instant power.

Later
Grady

 

[Rootus]

No low end torque? Can I put my dyno up against that one...?



J/K. I agree with you, the N/A 4.6L motors, especially the DOHC ones, have a real problem with low-end grunt.

Dave

 

[final5-0]

No low end torque? Can I put my dyno up against that one...?



J/K. I agree with you, the N/A 4.6L motors, especially the DOHC ones, have a real problem with low-end grunt.

Dave

I was just waiting for you to say something Dave.

You got the best of both worlds with your new ride.

Later
Grady

 

[Touring23]

Exhaust&pulleys versus
FTI AFR 165's & cam, Edel rpm, Mac lt's & cat pipe, Tweecer tune

Ain't evolution a b***h.

Thanks for a neat comparison.

 

[ROLLIN5.0]

It's just a bigger import motor if you ask me. Even though I am in love with the looks of the S197, I probably won't ever own another "modular" motor after this Expy is gone, which really sucks because that means my cars/trucks are going to get older and older, or I'm gonna have to switch brands eventually .
Brandon

 

[tomustang]

I like the pull up top, I do miss my low end grunt of my old 98 GT. I don't drag race so I'm not missing much with the tq down low

ps: i'd rather your car than the 05

 

[BlackVert]

I like the pull up top, I do miss my low end grunt of my old 98 GT. I don't drag race so I'm not missing much with the tq down low

ps: i'd rather your car than the 05

huh? the 96-98's have like the worst low end grunt of them all.

did you mean 95?

With a K/B and H/C/I, we can have the best of both worlds too ...

 

[final5-0]

With a K/B and H/C/I, we can have the best of both worlds too ...

I've had that very same thought for quite some time now

I'm making the plans and mapping my route to .....................


Zilla Dilla City

Later
Grady

 

[5spd GT]

huh? the 96-98's have like the worst low end grunt of them all.

did you mean 95?

With a K/B and H/C/I, we can have the best of both worlds too ...

The 96-98's have the same torque rating as the 94/95's. 285hp but it is 100rpm higher up.

Me and a buddy of mine did a race with a 98 gt (catback, 5spd) against a 94 gt (not really optioned out 5spd) and went from a 5mph roll (to take out driver factor as much as possible). The 98 gt started pulling immediately. Put almost a car and a half to 70mph. The 98 gt had 3:27's (factory) and the 94 has 3:08's. The guy in the 94 is actually a slightly better driver than the guy that was in the 98. Alls they had to do was shift once (on purpose). Both gave a nice chirp.

I knew the 98 would take it but I had to prove a point

They are driver's races...

 

[BlackVert]

I've had that very same thought for quite some time now

I'm making the plans and mapping my route to .....................


Zilla Dilla City

Later
Grady

me too, the guy who bought my turbo setup has a k/b getting rebuilt. he is considering selling it to me for the money he paid for the turbo.

 

[Rootus]

I knew the 98 would take it but I had to prove a point

It's usually the other way around.

In my experience, a Fox body GT will just edge out a 94/95 GT, it'll be a rear-bumper to front-bumper kinda thing up to about 100. And a 94/95 GT will typically be about that much quicker than a 96-98 GT. All of this is stock for stock. And I exclude the Fox body LX's because they were definitely lighter. The Fox GT with full body cladding was actually pretty piggy, not as far off from a SN95 as some people might think. I've owned all of these cars and I've had many an opportunity to compare them to other stock Mustangs of various years.

But you're right about it all being a drivers race for the most part. I've seen cars lose with 50+ horsepower advantages .

Dave

 

[5spd GT]

It's usually the other way around.

In my experience, a Fox body GT will just edge out a 94/95 GT, it'll be a rear-bumper to front-bumper kinda thing up to about 100. And a 94/95 GT will typically be about that much quicker than a 96-98 GT. All of this is stock for stock. And I exclude the Fox body LX's because they were definitely lighter. The Fox GT with full body cladding was actually pretty piggy, not as far off from a SN95 as some people might think. I've owned all of these cars and I've had many an opportunity to compare them to other stock Mustangs of various years.

But you're right about it all being a drivers race for the most part. I've seen cars lose with 50+ horsepower advantages .

Dave

The 98's weigh very comparable to the 94/95's. The 98 has a steeper gear and more power (225hp). It isn't hard to guess why it won. I see them both as driver's races. Almost exactly...i'm around these cars a lot and get in the "racing scene" and see this time after time. Consistent.

I know that foxes don't weigh that much less than a sn95. My lx weighs 3,180lbs without me in it. My friends "loaded" 2000 Gt with 17x9 chrome wheels weighs 3,337lbs. A 150lb difference. Not much at all. Many say they weigh so much which is not true. My 2000 Gt weighed less than his...almost in the 3,2xx range. Same 17x9 chrome wheels. We weighed that 94 gt that raced the 98 gt weighed 3,380lbs with close to a full tank. The other cars I mentioned were at 1/2 tank.
My friends 90 gt weighed less than my lx. Just because it is a 99+ or lx doesn't mean it is heavier or lighter just by the year or base name. The 05's weigh around 34/3500 lbs (gt coupes). A recent thread over there showed this when people started posting their weights. They are all pretty close in how I see it. Much nicer now-a-days though.

Yeah I've beat cars with over 100rwhp over me... Bad drivers...