multiple codes, need help

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i just recently got this car, first mustang. this is a list of codes that i pulled. codes 15, 22, 35, 51, 53, 54, 67, and 85. when i removed computer to check for constant power to pin 1 for code 15 it had a hypertech chip sticker saying code 15 may be present i did have constant power. on start up it will idle up to 2500 then down to 1500 and after a minute of idling at that it will start stepping down to 900 after car warms up you can turn it off and it will not crank for another 15 min. i did replace tps with a motorcraft and still not getting proper voltage there, any help on where to go/start would be appreciated! just unplugged hypertech chip cleared codes and started car engine light immediatley pulled codes and still have same ones except for 15 is gone with chip out.-when doing the idle checklist trying to set base idle you unplug the iac connector and pull the spout off to control spark advance, by spout are they meaning the chip by the distributer that you pull out to set timing? if so my car shuts down as soon as i pull the chip.
 
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Code 22 MAP (vacuum) or BARO signal out of range. The MAP or BARO sensor is pretty much the same sensor for both Mass Air & Speed Density cars. The main difference is where it is connected. Mass Air cars vent it to the atmosphere, while Speed Density cars connect it to the intake manifold vacuum. Its purpose is to help set a baseline for the air/fuel mixture by sensing changes in barometric pressure. The MAP or BAP sensor puts out a 5 volt square wave that changes frequency with variations in atmospheric pressure. The base is 154 HZ at 29.92" of mercury - dry sunny day at sea level, about 68-72 degrees. You need an oscilloscope or frequency meter to measure it. There a very few DVM with a price tag under $40 that will measure frequency, but there are some out there.

The MAP/BARO sensor is mounted on the firewall behind the upper manifold.

Baro or MAP test using frequency meter - run the test key on engine off. The noise from the ignition system will likely upset the frequency meter. I used a 10 x oscilloscope probe connected from the frequency meter to the MAP/BAP to reduce the jitter in the meter's readout.

If it is defective, your air/fuel ratio will be off and the car’s performance & emissions will suffer

Some basic checks you can make to be sure that the sensor is getting power & ground:
Note that all resistance tests must be done with power off. Measuring resistance with a circuit powered on will give false readings and possibly damage the meter.
Check the resistance between the black/white wire on the MAP/BARO sensor and then the black/white wire on the EGR and the same wire on the TPS. It should be less than 1 ohm. Next check the resistance between the black/white wire and the negative battery cable. It should be less than 1.5 ohm.

The following power on check requires you to turn the ignition switch to the Run position.
Use a DVM to check for 5 volts on the orange/white wire. If it is missing, look for +5 volts at the orange/white wire on the TPS or EGR sensors. Use the black/white wire for the ground for the DVM.

Code 23 - Throttle sensor out of range or throttle set too high - TPS needs to be reset to below 1.2 volts at idle. Keep in mind that when you turn the idle screw to set the idle speed, you change the TPS setting.
You'll need a Digital Voltmeter (DVM) to do the job.

Wire colors & functions:
Orange/white = 5 volt VREF from the computer
Dark Green/lt green = TPS output to computer
Black/white = Signal ground from computer

Always use the Dark Green/lt green & Black/white wires to set the TPS base voltage.

Do the test with the ignition switch in the Run position without the engine running.

Use the Orange/white & Black white wires to verify the TPS has the correct 5 volts source from the computer.

When you installed the sensor make sure you place it on the peg right and then tighten it down properly. Loosen the back screw a tiny bit so the sensor can pivot and loosen the front screw enough so you can move it just a little in very small increments. I wouldn’t try to adjust it using marks. Set it at .6.v-.9 v.

1. Always adjust the TPS and Idle with the engine at operating temp. Dive it around for a bit if you can and get it nice and warm.

2. When you probe the leads of the TPS, do not use an engine ground, put the ground probe into the lead of the TPS. You should be connecting both meter probes to the TPS and not one to the TPS and the other to ground.

If setting the TPS doesn’t fix the problem, then you may have wiring problems.
With the power off, measure the resistance between the black/white wire and battery ground. You should see less than 2 ohms. Check the same black /white wire on the TPS and MAP/Baro sensor. More than 1 ohm there and the wire is probably broken in the harness between the engine and the computer. The 10 pin connectors pass the black/white wire back to the computer, and can cause problems.

See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds (website host)

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/88-91eecPinout.gif

See Ford Fuel Injection Wiring Harnesses for more wiring help & 10 pin connector diagrams

Code 35 EVR - EVP sensor signal is/was high – Bad sensor, or possible missing ground for EVR circuit. With the power off, measure the resistance between the black/white wire and battery ground. You should see less than 1 ohm. Check the same black /white wire on the TPS and MAP sensor. More than 1 ohm there and the wire is probably broken in the harness between the engine and the computer. The 10 pin connectors pass the black/white wire back to the computer, and can cause problems.

See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds (website host)

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/88-91eecPinout.gif

See Ford Fuel Injection Wiring Harnesses for more wiring help & 10 pin connector diagrams

Code 51 Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) sensor signal is/was too high -
Possible bad ECT sensor, or wiring. Possible missing signal ground –
black/wire wire broken or bad connection. With the power off, measure the
resistance between the black/white wire and battery ground. You should see
less than 1 ohm. Check the same black /white wire on the TPS and MAP
sensor. More than 1 ohm there and the wire is probably broken in the harness
between the engine and the computer. The 10 pin connectors pass the
black/white wire back to the computer, and can cause problems.

Pin 7 on the computer - ECT signal in. at 176 degrees F it should be .80 volts

Voltages may be measured across the ECT by probing the connector from the rear.
Use care in doing it so that you don't damage the wiring or connector.

50 degrees F = 3.52 v
68 degrees F = 3.02 v
86 degrees F = 2.62 v
104 degrees F = 2.16 v
122 degrees F = 1.72 v
140 degrees F = 1.35 v
158 degrees F = 1.04 v
176 degrees F = .80 v
194 degrees F = .61
212 degrees F = .47 v
230 degrees F = .36 v
248 degrees F = .28 v

Ohms measures at the computer with the computer disconnected, or at the sensor with the sensor disconnected.

50 degrees F = 58.75 K ohms
68 degrees F = 37.30 K ohms
86 degrees F = 27.27 K ohms
104 degrees F = 16.15 K ohms
122 degrees F = 10.97 K ohms
140 degrees F = 7.60 K ohms
158 degrees F = 5.37 K ohms
176 degrees F = 3.84 K ohms
194 degrees F = 2.80 K ohms
212 degrees F = 2.07 K ohms
230 degrees F = 1.55 K ohms
248 degrees F = 1.18 k ohms

Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds

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See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds (website host) for help on 88-95 wiring Mustang FAQ - Engine Information

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/IgnitionSwitchWiring.gif

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/fuel-alt-links-ign-ac.gif

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Code 53 - Throttle Position sensor too high – TPS – TPS out of adjustment, bad connections, missing signal ground, bad sensor.

Wire colors & functions:
Orange/white = 5 volt VREF from the computer
Dark Green/lt green = TPS output to computer
Black/white = Signal ground from computer

Always use the Dark green/lt green & Black/white wires to set the TPS base voltage.

Do the test with the ignition switch in the Run position without the engine running.

Use the Orange/white & Black white wires to verify the TPS has the correct 5 volts source from the computer.

Setting the TPS: you'll need a good Digital Voltmeter (DVM) to do the job. Set the TPS voltage at .5- 1.1 range. Because of the variables involved with the tolerances of both computer and DVM, I would shoot for somewhere between .6 and 1.0 volts. Unless you have a Fluke or other high grade DVM, the second digit past the decimal point on cheap DVM’s is probably fantasy. Since the computer zeros out the TPS voltage every time it powers up, playing with the settings isn't an effective aid to performance or drivability. The main purpose of checking the TPS is to make sure it isn't way out of range and causing problems.

The Orange/White wire is the VREF 5 volts from the computer. You use the Dark Green/Lt green wire (TPS signal) and the Black/White wire (TPS ground) to set the TPS. Use a pair of safety pins to probe the TPS connector from the rear of the connector. You may find it a little difficult to make a good connection, but keep trying. Put the safety pins in the Dark Green/Lt green wire and Black/White wire. Make sure the ignition switch is in the Run position but the engine isn't running.

Here’s a TPS tip I got from NoGo50

When you installed the sensor make sure you place it on the peg right and then tighten it down properly. Loosen the back screw a tiny bit so the sensor can pivot and loosen the front screw enough so you can move it just a little in very small increments. I wouldn’t try to adjust it using marks.

(copied from MustangMax, Glendale AZ)

A.) Always adjust the TPS and Idle with the engine at operating temp. Dive it around for a bit if you can and get it nice and warm.

B.) When you probe the leads of the TPS, do not use an engine ground, put the ground probe into the lead of the TPS. You should be connecting both meter probes to the TPS and not one to the TPS and the other to ground.

Code 54 – ACT sensor out of range. Broken or damaged wiring, bad ACT sensor. Note that that if the outside air temp is below 50 degrees F that the test for the ACT can be in error.

Check the resistance of the black/white wire to battery ground. If it is less than 1.5 ohm, it is good. If it is more than 1.5 ohm, the black/white wire has bad connections or a broken wire. Always take resistance measurements with the circuit powered off.

Then check the resistance of the ACT sender located in the #5 intake runner on most 5.0 stangs.

ACT & ECT test data:

The ACT & ECT have the same thermistor, so the table values are the same

Pin 7 on the computer - ECT signal in. at 176 degrees F it should be .80 volts

Pin 25 on the computer - ACT signal in. at 50 degrees F it should be 3.5 volts. It is a good number if the ACT is mounted in the inlet airbox. If it is mounted in the lower intake manifold, the voltage readings will be lower because of the heat transfer. Here's the table :

68 degrees F = 3.02 v
86 degrees F = 2.62 v
104 degrees F = 2.16 v
122 degrees F = 1.72 v
140 degrees F = 1.35 v
158 degrees F = 1.04 v
176 degrees F = .80 v
194 degrees F = .61

Ohms measures at the computer with the computer disconnected, or at the sensor with the sensor disconnected.
50 degrees F = 58.75 K ohms
68 degrees F = 37.30 K ohms
86 degrees F = 27.27 K ohms
104 degrees F = 16.15 K ohms
122 degrees F = 10.97 K ohms
140 degrees F = 7.60 K ohms
158 degrees F = 5.37 K ohms
176 degrees F = 3.84 K ohms
194 degrees F = 2.80 K ohms

Code 67 - clutch not depressed (5 speed) or car not in neutral or park (auto) or A/C in On position when codes
where dumped. Possible neutral safety switch or wiring problem. This code may prevent you from running the Key On
Engine On tests. You can generally ignore this code, since it has no effect on engine performance.

The computer wants to make sure the A/C is off due to the added load on the engine for the engine running tests. It also
checks to see that the transmission is in Neutral or the clutch depressed (T5, T56, Tremec 3550 & TKO)). This prevents
the diagnostics from being run when the car is driven. Key On Engine Running test mode takes the throttle control away
from the driver for several tests. This could prove hazardous if the computer was jumpered into test mode and then driven.

The NSS code 67 can be bypassed for testing. You will need to temporarily ground computer pin 30 to the chassis.
Computer pin 30 uses a Lt blue/yellow wire. Remove the passenger side kick panel and then remove the plastic cover from
the computer wiring connector. Use a safety pin to probe the connector from the rear. Jumper the safety pin to the
ground near the computer.

IF YOU JUMPER THE WIRING TO BYPASS THE NSS, BE SURE TO REMOVE IT PRIOR TO DRIVING THE CAR!!! YOU COULD END UP CRASHING AND BURNING!!!

Code 85 - CANP solenoid - The Carbon Canister solenoid is inoperative or missing. Check vacuum lines for leaks and cracks. Check electrical wiring for loose connections, damaged wiring and insulation. Check solenoid valve operation by grounding the gray/yellow wire to the solenoid and blowing through it.
The computer provides the ground for the solenoid. The red wire to the solenoid is always energized any time the ignition switch is in the run position.

Charcoal canister plumbing - one 3/8" tube from the bottom of the upper manifold to the rubber hose. Rubber hose connects to one side of the canister solenoid valve. Other side of the solenoid valve connects to one side of the canister. The other side of the canister connects to a rubber hose that connects to a line that goes all the way back to the gas tank. There is an electrical connector coming from the passenger side injector harness near #1 injector that plugs into the canister solenoid valve. It's purpose is to vent the gas tank. The solenoid valve opens at cruse to provide some extra fuel.

It does not weigh but a pound or so and helps richen up the cruse mixture. It draws no HP & keeps the car from smelling like gasoline in a closed garage. So with all these good things and no bad ones, why not hook it up & use it?

All the codes except to the 67 & 85 point to a bad signal ground for the engine sensors.

The computer pin 46 signal ground is a critical component: it provides ground for the
MAP/BARO, TPS, ECT, EGR position sensor and ACT. Signal ground is used in many circuits that have
analog inputs to isolate the electrical noise. It is always separate from power ground,
although both may have a common connection origination point. Signal ground usually
has some conditioning that reduces the electrical noise to prevent false readings
The black/white wire (pin 46) is signal ground for the computer. It provides a dedicated
ground for the EGR, Baro, ACT, ECT, & TPS sensors as well as the ground to put the
computer into self test mode. If this ground is bad, none of the sensors mentioned
will work properly. That will severely affect the car's performance. You will have hard starting,
low power and drivability problems. What sometimes happens is that the test connector black/white
wire gets jumpered to power which either burns up the wiring or burns the trace off the
pc board inside the computer. That trace connects pins 46 to pins 40 & 60.
Only an experienced electronics technician can open the computer up & repair the trace if it burns
up and creates an open circuit.

If the ground for the TPS goes bad, the TPS output voltage increases and the idle speed goes up.
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Troubleshooting signal ground problems:

Note that all resistance tests must be done with power off. Measuring resistance
with a circuit powered on will give false readings and possibly damage the meter. That means disconnecting either the battery positive or negative cable since there is always some current draw due to the computer and radio circuits.


1.) With the power off, measure the resistance between the computer test ground
(black/white wire) on the self test connector and battery ground. You should see less than 2.0 ohms.
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2.) MAP circuit: Check the resistance between the black/white wire on the MAP/BARO sensor
and then the black/white wire on the EGR and the same wire on the TPS. It should be less than 1 ohms.
Higher resistance than 1 ohms indicates a problem with the 10 pin connector or the splice
inside the main harness where the wire from the 10 pin connectors joins the rest of the black/white wire.
Next check the resistance between the black/white wire and the negative battery cable.
It should be less than 2.0 ohms.

3.) Engine mounted sensor circuit: Check the resistance between the black/white wire on the TPS
and battery ground. It should be less than 2.0 ohms. Higher resistance than 2.0 ohms
indicates a problem with the 10 pin connector or the splice inside the main harness where the
wire from the 10 pin connectors joins the rest of the black/white wire.

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Repeat the process for the ACT and ECT sensors. Your results should have the same specifications.
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Checking the vref from computer with dvm on the tps. I tapped into orange wire and the black wire with koeo. I did not get anything, But I tapped into the orange wire and the green wire with koeo and got4.80. I ohmed all sensors like you said and everything checked out to spec., except for the tps. When checking for vref on the tps, the black wire did ohm out like it was supposed to at neg. bat. terminal and map sensor, does that mean anything do you think this is a computer issue?
 
checking the vref from computer with dvm tapped into orange wire and the black wire with koeo i did not get anything but tapped into the orange wire and the green wire koeo and got4.80 ohmed all sensors like you said and everything checked out to spec. except for the tps when checking for vref, black wire did ohm out like it was supposed to at neg. bat. terminal and map sensor, does that mean anything?

I'm sorry but your post is very hard to read with run on sentences. I need to be able to clearly understand what you are saying in order to give you the best answer. Please correct the punctuation and I will try to help.
 
Checking the vref from computer with dvm on the tps. I tapped into orange wire and the black wire with koeo. I did not get anything, But I tapped into the orange wire and the green wire with koeo and got4.80. I ohmed all sensors like you said and everything checked out to spec., except for the tps. When checking for vref on the tps, the black wire did ohm out like it was supposed to at neg. bat. terminal and map sensor, does that mean anything do you think this is a computer issue?





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Last edited by jt88gt; Today at 11:17 AM. Reason: punctuation
 
I don't know if it really matters, but the guy who had the car before me when he did the mass air conv. he used an A9P computer and harness out of a 90 5.0, at the same time he did that he swapped the dash and steering wheel out so he would have air bags.
 
Checking the vref from computer with dvm on the tps. I tapped into orange wire and the black wire with koeo. I did not get anything, But I tapped into the orange wire and the green wire with koeo and got4.80. I ohmed all sensors like you said and everything checked out to spec., except for the tps. When checking for vref on the tps, the black wire did ohm out like it was supposed to at neg. bat. terminal and map sensor, does that mean anything do you think this is a computer issue?

Thank you for taking the time to edit your post. Please undestand that I was not being critical of you. I just need the best description you can give me of what you were seeing.

From what I understand, the TPS has lost its signal ground (black/white wire). The engine fuel injector harness with its 10 pin connectors are the most likely source of the bad ground for the TPS. You may either replace the engine fuel injector harness or take it apart to find the problem.

The problem may be as simple as the black/white wire being broken near the connector pin for the TPS socket. Many auto parts stores now carry replacment connector assemblies for the sensors. See How to solder like a pro - Ford Fuel Injection How To Solder Like a Pro . If you replace any of the harness electrical connetors, fordfuelinjection.com also carries the pigtails and other parts you might need.

Or it may be in the harness where the TPS signal ground joins the other sensor signal grounds.

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ok, on the 10 pin connectors, I think the previous owner thought that may have been where some of the problems were. Because he has cut the black and the white 10 pin connectors out and used male and female connectors to splice the wires back together. Is there something special about the way those 10 pin connectors are made that i need them, or is it ok the way he has done it?
 
ok, on the 10 pin connectors, I think the previous owner thought that may have been where some of the problems were. Because he has cut the black and the white 10 pin connectors out and used male and female connectors to splice the wires back together. Is there something special about the way those 10 pin connectors are made that i need them, or is it ok the way he has done it?

It seems you are the victim of someone else’s shoddy workmanship. That is very unfortunate for you.

The 10 pin connectors are a weatherproof connector that seals out moisture and dirt. Without them, the electrical connections can develop intermittent problems that are hard to trace and fix. Unless you are really good with electrical wiring, I would recommend a replacement engine and body computer harness.
 
Looking at the wiring diagram you posted above, i saw all of those sensors had the same ground (like you also said) even the clutch switch and i can start my car without pushing the clutch in, so i looked at the clutch switch and it has 2 plugs for it ,both which were unplugged, and the black plug had a jumper in it. I pulled the jumper out and plugged both of them into the switch and started it up. Still wasn't idling right but it was better, I'm going to see if i'm able to set the tps tomorrow and go from there. I posted another thread about a tan/ cream color module i found in the driver side kick panel with 2 plugs in it and another plug off to side that could also plug into one side of it if i unplugged one connector. If you know anything about this can you let me know.