My 2005 GT got stomped 2x

05Stangster · May 25, 2005

DarkFireGT, l hope you can run against an 05GT with your Dodge Magnum with the Hemi. Should be a close race, however, you will lose.

The Magnum is rated at 0 - 60 in 6.30 sec. Your gonna have a lot of catchin up to do before the end of the 1/4 mile when the Mustang already has approximately 1.2 - 1.4 seconds on ya

2005 Dodge Magnum RT: 340 hp and 390 ft/lbs tq. 4179 lbs. curb weight;

2005 Mustang GT: 300 hp and 320 ft/lbs tq. 3425 lbs curb weight;

Would be fun though!

Mickey21 · May 25, 2005

The magnum is not a bad car but for the power as mentioned is definitely too heavy to compete with the 05's... As far as SN95's, well of course, you have almost 100 horses on most of those.

The 05's have more horsepower and deal with placing it on the ground a bit better... Should be an 05 win most anytime, unless a huge discrepancy in drivers... Like that 17 second + person which I shall leave nameless...

05Stangster · May 25, 2005

DarkFireGT, just so you know, I happen to the the Magnum is one awesome looking ride it is just too heavy for the 05 GT.

royb · May 25, 2005

ditto - but that's what i expected. Once the S/c goes on with some fat tires i'll give them a run & sleep on a bed full of extra cash-

Mustang gt every option 28k (x plan)
supercharger - 5K
beating a 55k (GMS plan) c6 - priceless

$22,000 left over for

Wsmatau · May 25, 2005

royb said:
ditto - but that's what i expected. Once the S/c goes on with some fat tires i'll give them a run & sleep on a bed full of extra cash-

Mustang gt every option 28k (x plan)
supercharger - 5K
beating a 55k (GMS plan) c6 - priceless

$22,000 left over for

Sorry, it's not quite that simple. The C6 is an extrordinary value as a sports car just like our Mustangs are great values as pony/ muscle cars. You may be able to squeeze the extra performance out of a GT to get it to compete with a C6 but it will cost you more like $10- 15k dollars in parts tuning and labor. And in the end the Chevy still has his warranty in tact. This is why Saleen, Roush, Kenny Brown, and Shelby make the big dollars on their cars. It's just not a fair comparison.

sawman70 · May 25, 2005

Wsmatau said:
Sorry, it's not quite that simple. The C6 is an extrordinary value as a sports car just like our Mustangs are great values as pony/ muscle cars. You may be able to squeeze the extra performance out of a GT to get it to compete with a C6 but it will cost you more like $10- 15k dollars in parts tuning and labor. And in the end the Chevy still has his warranty in tact. This is why Saleen, Roush, Kenny Brown, and Shelby make the big dollars on their cars. It's just not a fair comparison.

99GT, added supercharger for $3,600.00, 373 Gears for $300 (included labor), Upper and lower control arms, battle boxes and frame rails for $1,300 installed
O3 Cobra fuel tank and pumps for $750 installed and a set of rims with 315 drags on the rear for $1500. Custom dyno tuning for $500 and guess what for a little over 30K I'd smoke a C6 by over a second. Now my Cobra, try two.

05 mustang with $7,000 of mods waistes a stock C6. I can't wait for you 05 guys to get more power at your wheels than a C6 has at the crank.

And the tuners named above (not Shelby) make big money because some people are like sheep and will buy what the ignorant public sees as fast or special. Look in MMFF, nothing but a vortech and they got over 400HP to the wheels of an 05. 3 valves are better than 2. LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!

svtguy · May 25, 2005

CatmanJJ said:
When has a stock GT ever been close to a Corvette?

In the 80's.

95GTS · May 25, 2005

sawman70 said:
99GT, added supercharger for $3,600.00, 373 Gears for $300 (included labor), Upper and lower control arms, battle boxes and frame rails for $1,300 installed
O3 Cobra fuel tank and pumps for $750 installed and a set of rims with 315 drags on the rear for $1500. Custom dyno tuning for $500 and guess what for a little over 30K I'd smoke a C6 by over a second. Now my Cobra, try two.

Are you sure? Meaning have you raced one at the track with a good driver? Very similar performance as the older Z06, a bit slower from what I read. I've seen some very near stock Z06's run at the track and they can run. One guy had a cam, exhaust, tune and ran high 12's at 121 as I recall. This was on street tires. Here are some times for stock C6's found on Corvetteforum.com:

M6:
12.499@114.9
13.03@114
12.7@113

Auto:
12.608@111.14
12.565@110.52

Wsmatau · May 25, 2005

sawman70 said:
05 mustang with $7,000 of mods waistes a stock C6. I can't wait for you 05 guys to get more power at your wheels than a C6 has at the crank.

Waistes?...lol if you mean fat/overweight that is funny....if you mean wastes (I'm laughing at you not near you)

sawman70 said:
And the tuners named above (not Shelby) make big money because some people are like sheep and will buy what the ignorant public sees as fast or special. Look in MMFF, nothing but a vortech and they got over 400HP to the wheels of an 05. 3 valves are better than 2. LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not sure why you didn't include Shelby, but I agree that you can build a very fast car for less money than any of the above mentioned names will charge. However, those names do two things for you: First they don't void the warranty and they offer better resale value.
My point was that the C6 is a heck of a deal in the sports car market. I'm also not just talking about drag times. The Corvette is a real triple threat. Yes you can build a 'Stang that will exceed it performance-wise, but can you still jump in that Mustang 7 days a week and have it hold up consistantly. Maybe, but it won't be cheap, otherwise the new "Shelby" wouldn't be $40k and if it doesn't, you don't have a warranty to fall back on.

sawman70 · May 26, 2005

95GTS said:
One guy had a cam, exhaust, tune and ran high 12's at 121 as I recall.

Exactly, not stock and still in the 12's. If where you live isn't riddled with 10 and 11 sec 5.0 and 4.6 litres I understand your ignorance. I would fear finding a modded F body over a Corvette that will beat me. Lots of 10 and 11 second F bodies out there too. Very few Vettes at those numbers due to the fact most Corvette owners assume that their car is the fastest on the planet and also just a supercharger package runs over $10K installed and that's a lot of cash to invest into a leased vehicle.

Wsmatau, check my spelling, I love when people play the spelling "card". It shows a complete lack of ability to debate. Kinda like going to the race card. Why don't you call me names next, same level of intelligence. I didn't include Shelby because his cars are done right. They don't need flashes to get you to advertised horsepower or to get them to pass emmissions. Shelby does not get grouped in with the rapers....eh tuners you named. Had my 99GT for 5 years with 450+ crank horsepower and never had a warranty issue. My Cobra has 530+ crank horsepower and has never had a warranty issue. What, Mustangs with 50 or 100+ more power at the wheels than a Corvette has at the crank. There still slower though, because just by putting the name corvette on a car shaves 2 full seconds off the ET.

DISCLAIMER: I never said anything bad about the Vette (happen to like them) just that a Mustang can and will beat it with about $7K of mods. That is and was my only point about the Vette / Mustang issue.

CatmanJJ · May 26, 2005

svtguy said:
In the 80's.

That's pretty rad.

Wsmatau · May 26, 2005

sawman70 said:
Wsmatau, check my spelling, I love when people play the spelling "card". It shows a complete lack of ability to debate. Kinda like going to the race card. Why don't you call me names next, same level of intelligence.

I'm not about to take someone seriously who can't spell. And I'm not talking about the occasional mis-stroke of the keyboard. I'm talking about using the wrong word. I noted your ironic (that's IRONIC as in filled with irony not Moronic as in unintelligent) mispelling because it was funny, not because I was looking to get in a debate about who is more intelligent. Maybe I gave you more credit than you deserve. To spell it out for you in small words.... if you use the word waistes that indicates someones mid-section which is usually an indicator of one's overall fitness level. The Mustang is known for being a little overweight, therefore you would have made a pun (a play on words) by trying to say the 'Stang needed to go on a diet. I did however go on to state my point after all of that.

sawman70 said:
I didn't include Shelby because his cars are done right. They don't need flashes to get you to advertised horsepower or to get them to pass emmissions. Shelby does not get grouped in with the rapers....eh tuners you named. Had my 99GT for 5 years with 450+ crank horsepower and never had a warranty issue. My Cobra has 530+ crank horsepower and has never had a warranty issue. What, Mustangs with 50 or 100+ more power at the wheels than a Corvette has at the crank. There still slower though, because just by putting the name corvette on a car shaves 2 full seconds off the ET.

You seem to have an awful lot of faith in a car that doesn't even exist yet. Or ar you referring to the last Mustang Shelby built 40+ years ago? Not that I'm not interested in the Shelby. I just think your faith is misguided in a man who sued Ford over what amounted to a pile of stickers.
So, lets debate and try to compare apples to apples, which you haven't done yet. We can use your '99 GT as the example. It sounds like a fun car and fairly reliable. I'm using it instead of your Cobra because it is more comparable to the current GT. Aside from the fact that your warranty is now void on your entire powertrain, I still don't believe it will compete with the 'Vette all around. It has the HP to give the C6 a good run down the 1/4 mile. But then you need some new shoes to put all that power to the pavement. I know the stock brakes don't come close to keeping up. We are trying to keep prices low, so let's not go for a full $3500 brake kit. Let's just add just new rotors, pads, and SS lines to get it to slow down a little better. Now add some type of suspension to both allow it to hook up at the track and stay planted in the twisties. Unless NASCAR is what you had in mind as autocross. If you want the same HD tranny that is in your Cobra and the 'vette you are going to blow some serious cash. Do you want to upgrade the quality of your seating to meet the competition too? And all that said, we are talking about a car that has had 6+ years of aftermarket development behind it. The new GT does not have nearly as many tested options, and I for one am not interested in giving my new car up to the Guinea Pig Gods. Do you get my point now?
Everyone has read the articles about building a budget minded killer. Yes it is possible and it can be a lot of fun. However, the C6 (and Shelby, Roush, etc) are turn key packages that provide peace of mind even if it is at the expense of all out performance.

royb · May 26, 2005

Wsmatau said:
Sorry, it's not quite that simple. The C6 is an extrordinary value as a sports car just like our Mustangs are great values as pony/ muscle cars. You may be able to squeeze the extra performance out of a GT to get it to compete with a C6 but it will cost you more like $10- 15k dollars in parts tuning and labor. And in the end the Chevy still has his warranty in tact. This is why Saleen, Roush, Kenny Brown, and Shelby make the big dollars on their cars. It's just not a fair comparison.

OK, another 2k for some wheels & tires & 800 bucks for the tunning software - the labor is on me.

Swarzkopf · May 26, 2005

Uh... .5 seconds in the quarter mile is a HUGE difference and .5 seconds 0-60 is even bigger.

I beat my friends STI consistently by .5 seconds in the 1/4 mile and I'm usually ahead 4-5 car lenghts when I cross the line.

95GTS · May 26, 2005

sawman70 said:
Exactly, not stock and still in the 12's. If where you live isn't riddled with 10 and 11 sec 5.0 and 4.6 litres I understand your ignorance. I would fear finding a modded F body over a Corvette that will beat me. Lots of 10 and 11 second F bodies out there too. Very few Vettes at those numbers due to the fact most Corvette owners assume that their car is the fastest on the planet and also just a supercharger package runs over $10K installed and that's a lot of cash to invest into a leased vehicle.

DISCLAIMER: I never said anything bad about the Vette (happen to like them) just that a Mustang can and will beat it with about $7K of mods. That is and was my only point about the Vette / Mustang issue.

Ever run at the late Carlsbad? It's shut down now but one of the worst tracks for cars on street tires. That Z06 went undeafeted that day, against every comer, supercharged or not. Not all tracks are the same. Not all drivers are the same. Look at the C6 times I posted, well into the 12's bone stock. Only the 03/04 Cobra and 00R can match those, stock that is (speaking mustangs only).

I've now gone through two mustangs, both supercharged and both fast as ****. If the stall hadn't come back with my 03 Cobra, probably would still have it. So I know the capabilities of a supercharged stang. The new Vette is just a better car however. If you want to go fast in a straight line for the least price, go stang. The new GT500 might change things a bit though.

Destiny98 · May 26, 2005

sawman70 said:
99GT, added supercharger for $3,600.00, 373 Gears for $300 (included labor), Upper and lower control arms, battle boxes and frame rails for $1,300 installed
O3 Cobra fuel tank and pumps for $750 installed and a set of rims with 315 drags on the rear for $1500. Custom dyno tuning for $500 and guess what for a little over 30K I'd smoke a C6 by over a second. Now my Cobra, try two.

05 mustang with $7,000 of mods waistes a stock C6. I can't wait for you 05 guys to get more power at your wheels than a C6 has at the crank.

Yeah, and I've seen a primered Gremlin running in the 10's for less than half of what either of your Mustangs cost, so what's your point? If the quarter mile is all that counts there are about 10,000 different ways to do it more efficiently than buying a C6. You haven't exactly split the atom here

Uyennie · May 26, 2005

05Stangster said:
Quote: "When has a stock GT ever been close to a Corvette?"

My 05 GT can I am able to pass a C6 vet any time I choose - the power in my GT is amazing. I step on her, and she's gone! Afraid or even intimidated by my neighbors C6! It's not even close! Of course, his is parked when I go by each day

that's the same thing I said when my fiance's car (c6) is still in the drive way and I sped up to go to work.

sawman70 · May 26, 2005

Destiny98 said:
Yeah, and I've seen a primered Gremlin running in the 10's for less than half of what either of your Mustangs cost, so what's your point? If the quarter mile is all that counts there are about 10,000 different ways to do it more efficiently than buying a C6. You haven't exactly split the atom here

Exactly my point. Read the previous posts where people doubted a supercharged 05 would be faster than a Corvette. A Pinto with a 429 runs like hell too as will an 05 Mustang GT with a supercharger on it. Corvettes are not un beatable was my only point and was a response to a previous post.

Also, Wsmatau, Shelby makes many cars currently, Mustangs and Cobras. If your new to the hobby (which you apparhently are), check things out, you may see things your interested in. Watch out four spelling errors thow, theigh can bee pritty scarry.

sawman70 · May 27, 2005

Wsmatau said:
Sorry, it's not quite that simple. The C6 is an extrordinary value as a sports car just like our Mustangs are great values as pony/ muscle cars. You may be able to squeeze the extra performance out of a GT to get it to compete with a C6 but it will cost you more like $10- 15k dollars in parts tuning and labor.

All I was saying was it won't cost 10 to 15K to get an 05 faster than a C6. No debate over which one is better because that is up to each owner. I really love the hostility up here. Can't make a simple point without getting gang rushed by people who don't read all the previous posts or even know that Shelby sells cars and has for years.

www.shelbyamerican.com
I want the 750 horsepower 4000 with the blown 427 which I will never be able to afford.

Wsmatau · May 27, 2005

sawman70 said:
Exactly my point. Read the previous posts where people doubted a supercharged 05 would be faster than a Corvette. A Pinto with a 429 runs like hell too as will an 05 Mustang GT with a supercharger on it. Corvettes are not un beatable was my only point and was a response to a previous post.

Nice way to back out and try to save face. Except that your theory still hasn't been proven. Slapping a supercharger on an '05 doesn't make it competitive with a C6. No one is ganging up on you here. You are not a martyr, just wrong.

sawman70 said:
Also, Wsmatau, Shelby makes many cars currently, Mustangs and Cobras. If your new to the hobby (which you apparhently are), check things out, you may see things your interested in.

As for my lack of knowlege of Shelby cars, I guess I have to apologise I didn't realize that Shelby had collaborated with Ford since 1967. I thought the CSX Cobras and GT500E cars were more along the lines of hot rods, not the production cars we were discussing. Maybe I should offer a link to Dodge so you can discuss his Omni adventure

sawman70 said:
Watch out four spelling errors thow, theigh can bee pritty scarry.

Again, nice attempt at distraction using humor. But don't think I haven't noticed that fact that you don't know the difference between the possessive your and the contraction for you are. I thought this link might help:

http://english-zone.com/verbs/your1.html

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