My Car died on me.. HELP!!

ok so i just finished puttin the new colum in and i was taking the car out. It has't ran ina few months, before i left my house i let the car run for like 5-10 min then i took on a test ride to make sure eveything was ok. well i took her around the block and hada friend follow me. I got on it a little bit and i saw some black smoke comming from my tail pipes but after driving it for about 2 min it all cleared up and was't smoking anymore. so i get back to my house turn the car off and clean up and change. I noticed one of my tires was low on air so before i went anywhere else i went to the gas station to put some air in it. So i turned off the car and went inside the gas station to ask the lady if she could turn the air on so i could fill the tire. after i put some air in i tried to start my car. It was turning over but not catchin... i was like WTF? luckly i still had my friends with me so we tried pushing it and pop starting it. No luck. the car somewhat caught on the popstart but just fell on its face.. Any idea wtf it could be? Mabey fuel filter or fuel pump? i did smell gas after i tried turning it over a few times.. so i let it sit for a few hrs came back and tried again and got the same results? so i am stumped and have no idea what to do.. leme know what you guys think..


thanks in advance.
 
Need to check to see if its getting any fire, and fuel pressure. If no spark more inlikely the TFI module though, they are notorious for doing that.. But need to know if its a no spark or no fuel problem before really giving ideas..
 
Cranks OK, but No Start Checklist for Fuel Injected Mustangs

Revised 30-Jul-2006 to include pip diagnostic help
All text applies to all models unless stated otherwise.

Note: 94-95 specific changes are in red

1.) Remove push on connector from starter solenoid and turn ignition switch on. Place car in neutral or Park and set the parking brake. Remove the coil wire from distributor & and hold it 3/8” away from the engine block. Jumper the screw to the big bolt on the starter solenoid that has the battery wire connected to it. You should get a nice fat blue spark.
Most of the items are electrical in nature, so a test light, or even better, a voltmeter, is helpful to be sure they have power to them.
No spark, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) MSD or Crane ignition box if so equipped
B.) Coil
C.) TFI module
D.) PIP sensor in distributor. See paragraph 3A - a noid light will tell if the pip is working by flashing when the engine is cranking.
E.) No ECC or computer power - ECC or computer relay failure
86-93 models only: ECC relay next to computer - look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires
94-95 models only: EEC or PCM power relay in the constant control relay module. Look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires.
F.) No ECC or computer power - fuse or fuse link failure
86-93 models only: Fuse links in wiring harness - look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires. All the fuse links live in a bundle up near the starter solenoid.
94-95 models only: 20 amp EEC fuse in the engine compartment fuse box. Look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires.
G.) Ignition switch - look for 12 volts at the ignition coil red/lt green wire.
H.) Computer

See the following links for wiring diagrams...

http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiB..._us/0900823d/80/16/71/3c/0900823d8016713c.jsp for 79-88 model cars
Computer/fuel pump/ignition wiring diagram, 86 model http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/gif/large/0900823d80167158.gif
Computer/fuel pump/ignition wiring diagram, 87 model http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/gif/large/0900823d8016715e.gif
Computer/fuel pump/ignition wiring diagram, 88 model http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/gif/large/0900823d80167162.gif

http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiB..._us/0900823d/80/19/59/5a/0900823d8019595a.jsp for 89-93 model cars
Computer/fuel pump/ignition wiring diagram, 89-90 cars http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/gif/large/0900823d8019595f.gif
Computer/fuel pump/ignition wiring diagram, 91-93 cars
http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/gif/large/0900823d80195960.gif

http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiBroker?ForwardPage=/az/cds/en_us/0900823d/80/1d/db/3c/0900823d801ddb3c.jsp for 94-98 model cars

2.) Spark at coil wire, pull #1 plug wire off at the spark plug and check to see spark. No spark, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Moisture inside distributor – remove cap, dry off & spray with WD40
B.) Distributor cap
C.) Rotor
D.) Spark Plug wires
E.) Coil weak or intermittent - you should see 3/8" fat blue spark with a good coil

3.) Spark at spark plug, but no start.
Next, get a can of starting fluid (ether) from your local auto parts store: costs a $1.30 or so. Then pull the air duct off at the throttle body elbow, open the throttle, and spray the ether in it. Reconnect the air duct and try to start the car. Do not try to start the car without reconnecting the air duct.
Two reasons:
1.) If it backfires, the chance for a serious fire is increased.
2.) On Mass Air cars, the computer needs to measure the MAF flow once the engine starts.
If it starts then, you have a fuel management issue. Continue the checklist with emphasis of fuel related items that follow. If it doesn’t, then it is a computer or timing issue: see Step 4.

Clue – listen for the fuel pump to prime when you first turn the ignition switch on. It should run for 5-20 seconds and shut off. To trick the fuel pump into running, find the ECC test connector and jump the connector in the Upper RH corner to ground.
attachment.php


If the relay & inertia switch are OK, you will have power to the pump. Check fuel pressure – remove the cap from the schrader valve behind the alternator and depress the core. Fuel should squirt out, catch it in a rag. Beware of fire hazard when you do this. In pinch you can use a tire pressure gauge to measure the fuel pressure. It may not be completely accurate, but you will have some clue as to how much pressure you have.

No fuel pressure, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Tripped inertia switch – Coupe & hatch cars hide it under the plastic trim covering the driver's side taillight. Use the voltmeter or test light to make sure you have power to both sides of the switch
B.) Fuel pump power relay – located under the driver’s seat in most stangs built before 92. On 92 and later model cars it is located below the Mass Air Flow meter. Look for 12 volts at the Pink/Black wire on the fuel pump relay.
C.) Clogged fuel filter
D.) Failed fuel pump
E.) 86-93 models only: Blown fuse link in wiring harness. Look for 12 volts at the Orange/Lt Blue wire on the fuel pump relay. The fuse links live in the wiring harness near the starter solenoid.
94-95 models only: 20 amp fuel pump fuse in the engine compartment fuse box. Look for 12 volts at the Dark green/yellow wire on the constant control relay module.
F.) Fuel pressure regulator failed. Remove the vacuum line from the regulator and inspect for fuel escaping while the pump is running.

Fuel pressure OK, the injectors are not firing.

A.) A Noid light available from Autozone, is one way to test the injector wiring.
B.) I like to use an old injector with compressed air applied to the injector where the fuel rail would normally connect. I hook the whole thing up, apply compressed air to the injector and stick it in a paper cup of soapy water. When the engine cranks with the ignition switch on, if the injector fires, it makes bubbles. Cheap if you have the stuff laying around, and works good too.

a.) Pull an injector wire connector off and look for 12 volts on the red wire when the ignition switch is on.
b.) No power, then look for problems with the 10 pin connecter (salt & pepper shakers at the rear of the upper manifold).
c.) No power and the 10 pin connections are good: look for broken wiring between the orange/black wire on the ECC relay and the red wire for the 10 pin connectors.


4.) Spark & fuel pressure OK.

A.) Failed IAB (no airflow to start engine). Press the throttle ¼ way down and try to start the car.
B.) Failed computer (not very likely)
C.) Engine ignition or cam timing off: only likely if the engine has been worked on recently).
D.) Firing order off: HO & 351 use a different firing order from the non HO engines.
HO & 351W 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
Non HO 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8
E.) No start when hot - Press the throttle to the floor & try starting it if you get this far. If it starts, replace the ECT.
 
Stang91 said:
ok how would i begin to check for spark? I did do a Distribiter, cap, rotar, plugs,and wires last year.. If it matters this is on my 1988 GT T-top.

thanks again.

-John

The easiest way to check for spark is to pull a wire off the spark plug, stick a screwdriver in the plug wire and then turn the car over while holding the metal part of the screwdriving close to the crankcase. You should see a little blue spark jump the gap from the screwdriver to the engine.

Else, you can always just hold onto the metal screwdriver and feel for a lil poke.... not suggested, though.
 
Ok UPDATE:

i definatly got spark. i got the **** shocked outta me lol.

so i though it was the fuel filter. we pulled that off and i was told to try to prime it while it was off. if fuel pump was working it'll spray fuel well that did't happen so its either outta gas *but my guage says its 3/4's full* or fuel pump crapped out? does this sound right? if so can i get a guide or a lil info on gettin to that fuel pump. thanks so much.

-John
 
Stang91 said:
can a bad ground cause the fuel pump to not switch on?
I know it's a lot to digest but if you go re-read JRichker's post, you'll find your answer.

Print that list up and take it out to the shop with you and you'll find your issue.

Good luck.
 
Stang91 said:
ok so i go from bad ground* having no fuel pressure* to now no spark DAMN FORDS.
Are you sure you tested for ground during the prime-out? Otherwise you might have missed the ground pulse.

Since things appear to be changing for you, retest each system again. This helps rule out user error and lots of tail chasing (I'm speaking from experience here. When I see something strange, I use the carpenter's rule and measure [test] twice and cut [replace parts] once).

Good luck.
 
HISSIN50 said:
Are you sure you tested for ground during the prime-out? Otherwise you might have missed the ground pulse.

Since things appear to be changing for you, retest each system again. This helps rule out user error and lots of tail chasing (I'm speaking from experience here. When I see something strange, I use the carpenter's rule and measure [test] twice and cut [replace parts] once).

Good luck.

Hissin50 is right on target.

The Cranks OK, but No Start Checklist for Fuel Injected Mustangs was laid out in an order that helps to prevent you from chasing your tail. Step by step elimination of the good things leaves you with a much smaller list of things that could be bad. Simple tests rule out what works and what doesn't.

Master the troubleshooting methodology used in the checklist and you'll fix things that baffle other people. Not only that, you'll do it faster than skipping around doing A and then D and back to A.