yeah you were right on target hissin50 it was the wobble ext that caused the hideous injury,I removed the balancer or whatever you call it and I was able to get the 3/8 ratchet on and get it loosened,on another note,I wish I had drove the car a little before I sucked the gear oil out ,it was cold and took a longtime to suction it all out,but I was able to get that done as well as swap out an 02 sensor before the football games started,then after the eagles game I swapped out the spark plugs,im new to the fox body scene,coming over from the 2.3 turbo scene ,my last project was a turboranger,even though it was wicked quick I just hated the lag off the get go,you guys have ben really helpful,being back in the V8 world reminds me of my old school days of big block mopars. thanx much fellas.