• Mustang Forums
  • 1996 - 2004 SN95 Mustang -General/Talk-
  • SN95 4.6L Mustang Tech

Name that Noise (engine related)

  • Thread starter Thread starter bhuff30
  • Start date Start date Nov 11, 2009

bhuff30

Founding Member
Dec 11, 2001
6,037
35
129
Olathe KS
Nov 11, 2009
#1
  • Nov 11, 2009
  • #1
I've noticed a bit of a tapping noise in my car when the engine is warming up. It is definately RPM related, and sounds a bit like a tapping lifter, but not such a clear tap. It is almost more like a slapping or rubbing type sound. What kind of sound does a worn chain guide make? It is most noticible when the engine is cold and at low rpms, like 1000-1800 rpm. It goes away when the engine is warm.

I've heard rod knock and piston slap, and it doesn't sound like either of these. It also isn't related to the clutch, TOB or pilot bearing.

Sound like a chain guide? Do the chain guides on the NPI engine have a tendency to wear? I've read that some 4.6s like to wear the chain guides badly, but don't know which years/models.
 

wmburns

SN Certified Technician
Aug 14, 2009
5,892
514
204
Houston Texas
Nov 11, 2009
#2
  • Nov 11, 2009
  • #2
How many miles? Yes the chain guides can wear. I would also think they could make a slapping sound.

I have an engine in my garage right now with a broken timing set (2000 Mustang GT Windsor 145K miles). The plastic on the tensioners wore down to the metal. Then there was metal to metal which quickly wore the tensioners all the way through. Then the adjuster piston directly contacted the chain.

After this, the surface area of the tensioner was drastically reduced. The slack in the chain was not well controlled. The chain slapping around broke the plastic guides.

Several small pieces of plastic clogged the oil pick up screen cutting off the flow of oil.

A large piece of plastic wedged between the timing chain and crankshaft gear siezing the motor solid.

If the sound is coming from the front of the motor, try removing a valve cover. This should afford enough access to inspect the amount of plastic remaining on the tensioners. Try to see how far the adjusting prawl is sticking out. There is only so much adjustment to be had.

Suggest buying an oil filter cutter. Cut the oil filter open and look for bits of metal. Also, the ground up plastic may leave a waxy residue in the filter element.

Note, the motor in my garage did not belong to me at the time of failure. The prior owner reported the motor siezed at a red light with no warning what so ever. I would have expected the timing chains to make noise before they failed. If the PO is to believe, this is not always the case.

Bottom line, a timing set is much cheaper than a whole motor.
 

bhuff30

Founding Member
Dec 11, 2001
6,037
35
129
Olathe KS
Nov 11, 2009
#3
  • Nov 11, 2009
  • #3
The engine has 168k miles. The noise is much more noticible these days, but again, after the engine warms up it goes away. I guess I'd better open her up this weekend if I can.
 

twogts4us

15 Year Member
Apr 1, 2004
4,188
12
79
Dunedin, FL
Nov 11, 2009
#4
  • Nov 11, 2009
  • #4
I've got the same on my DOHC -and I came to the same conclusion - chain guides. I'm not so sure it's wear as opposed to simply needing to get pumped up...? I may be way off track... But it doesn't do it after it's warmed up.
 

bhuff30

Founding Member
Dec 11, 2001
6,037
35
129
Olathe KS
Nov 11, 2009
#5
  • Nov 11, 2009
  • #5
I can probably take a video tomorrow morning to see what everyone things.

Yeah, I guess I'm not overly concerned about it because it goes away when warm. If possible, I'll wait until thanksgiving break to do the work. I've got some PI cams to go in at the same time. Just not sure how many parts I need to order... the whole kit with chains, guides and tensioners is something like 270$.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

A
Rough idle - cylinder 1 and 6 misfire HELP
  • austindavies935
  • Jul 24, 2025
  • SN95 4.6L Mustang Tech
Replies
12
Views
669
SN95 4.6L Mustang Tech Jul 24, 2025
gkomo
U
8 Years of Vibration leading to engine knock?
  • UpgradeXP
  • Apr 14, 2025
  • SN95 V6 Mustang Tech
Replies
3
Views
439
SN95 V6 Mustang Tech Apr 14, 2025
Noobz347
L
Secondary Timing Chain Slack 4.6 4V
  • lusabro
  • Jun 12, 2024
  • 1996 - 2004 SN95 Mustang -General/Talk-
Replies
1
Views
519
1996 - 2004 SN95 Mustang -General/Talk- Jun 14, 2024
manicmechanic007
J
'96 Cobra: A/C gets weak and engine misfires under load when warm
  • jruhnke
  • Oct 22, 2025
  • SVT Tech Forum
Replies
2
Views
301
SVT Tech Forum Nov 20, 2025
nickyb
SN95 Desktop 363 Engine Combination - Looking for input
  • WhiteCobra95
  • Sep 8, 2025
  • 1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk-
Replies
11
Views
1K
1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk- Oct 6, 2025
Habu135
Share:
Bluesky Email Share Link
  • Mustang Forums
  • 1996 - 2004 SN95 Mustang -General/Talk-
  • SN95 4.6L Mustang Tech
Menu
Log in

Register

  • Forums
  • What's new
  • Media
  • Resources
  • Contact
  • Sponsor
X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?

X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?