Narrow Band vs Wide Band

Bramcavender

Active User

Apr 1, 2009

55

8

18

Barboursville, WV

Apr 6, 2009

#1

• Apr 6, 2009

• #1

I was gonna install a A/F gauge in my car, just to check the tune, is one better than the other Narrow band or wide band, thanks

 

Mustangless

Member

Jun 27, 2003

903

1

18

home

Apr 6, 2009

#2

• Apr 6, 2009

• #2

You want wideband. If you install a narrowband gauge, it will not show you the real numbers. I am not exactly sure how a narrowband works, but I think it shows what a/f the car is trying to hit. A wideband shows what a/f the car is putting out.

 

Bramcavender

Active User

Apr 1, 2009

55

8

18

Barboursville, WV

Apr 6, 2009

#3

• Apr 6, 2009

• #3

thats weird, anyone know why that is?

 

strtrcr50

New Member

Jun 21, 2006

0

4

0

Previously from Dirty Jerzey exit 7a

Apr 6, 2009

#4

• Apr 6, 2009

• #4

A narrowband is much more accurate at stoich.(14.7 to 1) Hence it is used by the car to fine tune closed loop. However, if you want to see what the car is doing in open loop where it is running 10-13 to 1, you would need a wideband because the narrowband doesn't measure down that low. That's not exactly it, but it's as close as I remember.

 

Bramcavender

Active User

Apr 1, 2009

55

8

18

Barboursville, WV

Apr 6, 2009

#5

• Apr 6, 2009

• #5

so a narrow band would help me get away from being to rich, wouldn't that be better than nothing at all. The car runs great at WOT but everything other time it has a strong fuel odor.

 

strtrcr50

New Member

Jun 21, 2006

0

4

0

Previously from Dirty Jerzey exit 7a

Apr 6, 2009

#6

• Apr 6, 2009

• #6

No. A narrowband for tuning purposes is useless. Good for a blinky light show, but that's about it. You can get an innovate wideband setup relatively cheap.

 

Bramcavender

Active User

Apr 1, 2009

55

8

18

Barboursville, WV

Apr 6, 2009

#7

• Apr 6, 2009

• #7

ok thanks I'll take that advice, I appreciate it

 

strtrcr50

New Member

Jun 21, 2006

0

4

0

Previously from Dirty Jerzey exit 7a

Apr 6, 2009

#8

• Apr 6, 2009

• #8

The best way I know how to put it is a narrowband would be fine if you were only tuning 14.2 to 15.2 Outside of that range, it will only know it is lean or rich. However, because it is such a limited range, you can have a higher resolution in that range. This will work for you at a good price. It's an Innovate LC1, sensor and gauge. By the way, how are you tuning the car to adjust the air/fuel ratio?

 

strtrcr50

New Member

Jun 21, 2006

0

4

0

Previously from Dirty Jerzey exit 7a

Apr 6, 2009

#9

• Apr 6, 2009

• #9

If you are looking into a way to tune and datalog, I'd recommend the Moates QuarterHorse and Binary Editor which is free to check out. The free version will not allow you to read, write, or datalog. But you can get a feel for what is available for you to tune. You could also buy the tweecer like I did(because the quarter horse was not released at the time), but you would get less dataloggable parameters and spend quite a bit more money.

 

Bramcavender

Active User

Apr 1, 2009

55

8

18

Barboursville, WV

Apr 6, 2009

#10

• Apr 6, 2009

• #10

That really looks like a quality set up, anyone running it, pros,cons

 

95Vert383AOD

15 Year Member

Jun 10, 2008

1,133

34

69

New Bedford, MA

Apr 6, 2009

#11

• Apr 6, 2009

• #11

Before this gets derailed....on the QH & Tweecer (which im deciding between too)

Where is the best place to put a wideband on the exhaust??? I was thinking of putting in on the "X" part of exhaust on my car. I want an accurate reading from the right and left exhaust.

 

Mustangless

Member

Jun 27, 2003

903

1

18

home

Apr 6, 2009

#12

• Apr 6, 2009

• #12

95Vert383AOD said:

Before this gets derailed....on the QH & Tweecer (which im deciding between too)

Where is the best place to put a wideband on the exhaust??? I was thinking of putting in on the "X" part of exhaust on my car. I want an accurate reading from the right and left exhaust.

Click to expand...

I have always heard that the left side is the leaner side. So if it were me, I would put it there.

I have a single exhaust, so I don't have left right.

 

final5-0

Mustang Master

Apr 6, 2003

6,817

12

79

DFW Texas

Apr 6, 2009

#13

• Apr 6, 2009

• #13

Narrow band is OEM equipment

It has a narrow band of accuracy which is centered around
14.7 to 1.00

The wide band units you see so many talk about do the same thing
but
They do it with a wider band of accuracy

Power adder cars will see very fat ratios like 10.50 - 12.00 to 1.00

A ratio that low is beyond what the OEM narrow band sensor can
accurately measure

About the bung ........

Why not put one in each side so you can test either side

Grady

 

strtrcr50

New Member

Jun 21, 2006

0

4

0

Previously from Dirty Jerzey exit 7a

Apr 6, 2009

#14

• Apr 6, 2009

• #14

Bramcavender said:

That really looks like a quality set up, anyone running it, pros,cons

Click to expand...

I run a tweecer(QH was not released when I bought it) with binary editor. Works great. The one time I did have a problem, the developer of BE did a remote access on my laptop while I was in the car and fixed it. At 10:30 on a friday night. Check out EECTuning.org • Index page for more info on tuning. Oh, as far as where to put the wideband bung, I installed mine on the left pipe near the factory bung.

 

strtrcr50

New Member

Jun 21, 2006

0

4

0

Previously from Dirty Jerzey exit 7a

Apr 6, 2009

#15

• Apr 6, 2009

• #15

95Vert383AOD said:

Before this gets derailed....on the QH & Tweecer (which im deciding between too)

Click to expand...

Tweecer is more expensive, datalogs less parameters, and has a slower sample rate. However, it can read the factory bin(not that that matters. Whatever SW package you use will come with factory bins, or download them from a bunch of different sites on the web)