Im having a "discussion" with a GM nut-hugging moron about the new 5.0.
He's saying that he's unimpressed with the 2011 GT and says that it is "still ****". He goes on to say that all Mustangs in general are a joke and get minimal gains from bolt-ons (even cams are a waste), etc.
So......Im looking for any information on bolt-on N/A GT's running 12's and better. Links, videos, anything would be greatly appreciated. I know that there are quite a few out there.
.......oh did I mention he drives a GOAT
Your efforts are futile, there is no arguing with a GM nut-hugger. The LS motor was touched by the hand of God and nothing is better, not even a lifetime supply of beer and clean hookers.
On a serious note, he is half correct. Mustang's (speaking in 4.6 terms) don't respond to bolt ons the way that they should. The 4.6 is an un-impressive motor in 2v form. 3v's are what the 2v should have been, and 4v is where it's at in the modular game.
It IS a joke to pay $550 for two cams, plus $200 for springs, plus install and get MAYBE 30-40rwhp on a fully bolt on, longtube, cammed car. That is pathetic. And cams for a 4v? lol... try $1,200 JUST for the cams, add in double the amount of springs for a 2v, then installation for around or slightly more power...
Hell, a lot of us in this forum have full bolt on, geared cars and CAN'T make it out of the 13's. While there are guys who are rolling to the strip in bone stock 7 year old Camaros and T/As that are knocking down 12.90's all day long.
Yes, the Chevy has a better engine and transmission setup, and that is their advantage. Yes, they can knock down upwards of 30mpg on a cammed bolt on car (my buddy is putting down 422rwhp, gets 28mpg through a stalled auto in his '98 Z/28).
Ford is really trying hard to step up now with the 5.0 DOHC as a standard engine in the GT. Hopefully this engine isn't tapped out from the factory, as our 2v's were pretty much until you tore them down and actually built them correctly. Time will tell on that, but until then, a GM guy has nothing to lose by stating the facts.
If you want to piss him off in return, ask him what nutsack at GM thought it would be a good idea to put a 10-bolt rear behind the F-body cars, as well as why they got the 4L60 instead of 4L80 as the standard auto trans. That will give him something to think about.
And the GTO's are no joke. Yeah, they are heavy, but has anyone looked at what a GT-500 weighs lately? Not to mention the LS2 responds even better than the LS1 to bolt on mods, cam, and headwork. I have a buddy with an '05 GTO, auto, cam only car with a small shot of juice and it is STUPID fast. I have another buddy who has a STOCK BOTTOM END '04 (LS1 car) GTO putting out 660rwhp with the help of a Procharger.
Now, with all of that out of the way... I made a bet that I could beat my buddy with the Z/28 (ported factory heads, cam, bolt on, tuned, geared, stalled... yadda yadda) off the line and to the end of 2nd gear for me. I did, twice...
I will admit that they can be made to sound AMAZING with a cam and the one I ran happened to kick out a low 12 
