New Metallica anyone? Here ya go!

Okay, I finished listening to it, beginning to end.





IT SUCKS. :notnice:




I wanted to like it. Really, I did. I even expected to like it. By the end of the first song, I was even convinced that I'd be running out and buying this thing tomorrow with a grin. But ... no.

No, I wasn't comparing this to old Metallica - not consciously, anyhow. From a standpoint of being a metal album, I'd only give this a 6/10 ... the same as I'd rate it as being a Metallica album. It starts strong. The first two songs? AWESOME. Great tunes. By the time the third track comes along, though, something starts coming unwound ... I dunno, maybe because the tempo slows, or maybe because the extended Kirk Hammet solos are starting to sound a bit repetitive. Then there's "The Day That Never Comes," which sets the tone for the next few songs - slower, more mainstreamy, and seeming as though the band is recording this album by playing it straight through from beginning to end and starting to become physically exhausted. (I could understand this in concert, but on an album, this seems absurd to me for some reason.) By the fifth song, Kirk's spastic solos are really starting to get on my frickin' nerves. When "Unforgiven III" rolls along, I want to give up on this steaming turd and refuse to listen to the rest of it on principle, alone - the first two "Unforgiven" songs were, well, unforgivable, so who the HELL thought anyone WANTED to hear a third iteration of this audio-borne feces? The album finishes on one last genuinely good track, however - "My Apocalypse" - which is straight-up badass ... aside from the overly loud snare that just sticks out above everything else for some weird reason.

The major flaws:

1. Again, James should STOP TRYING TO SING. Given, he's got it down good and back to basics with the first couple of songs. The vocals were spot-on RIGHT ... even though the audio mix was all wrong, and there's no reverb to make it sound "finished." The third ... ehhhh, okay. But the rest, where he falls into that "Load" and beyond style of country-esque yodeling , I could totally do without;

2. Poor Kirk seems to be trying his damnedest to overcompensate for the lackluster bassist (who looks to me like Danny Trejo without a mustache and with a gallon of oil dumped over his head) and James's inability to remember how to play anything beyond basic rhythm guitar, as he's just going berserk on the guitar solos ... which ALL SOUND EXACTLY THE SAME. "Wheeeooohwheeeoooh meedly-meedly-meedly wheeeeeeeeeawwwwrrrrrr!" ... basically, play that really fast part from the later part of "One" on repeat and add some random annoying wah pedal effects to it, and that's his solos. Really frickin' obnoxious by the time you hear it for the fifth or sixth time on the album. Kirk, you're good, but maybe put some of that energy you've got into teaching James how to play guitar, too, and get his old sober arse to work with the rest of you;

3. There is NO reverb on ANY of these tracks. None. Zero. Zilch. I dunno if the whole "live, in the studio" kind of sound is the "in" thing with these guys lately, but I for one am frickin' sick of hearing all their tunes sound like they're playing in a room filled to the ceiling with pillows. What happened to the echo-y reverb we used to hear on everything before, up to and even including the "Black Album?" It's the reason why James's vocals stand out so much more, and why I want to smash Lars Ulrich's face through the skin of his snare drum before I go insane from hearing a slightly more muted version of that same BUNG BUNG BUNG BUNG BUNG sound that helped ruin St. Anger. Just like how I use a distortion pedal to help hide my utter lack of guitar skills, adding reverb to some or all of the instruments in the mix helps smooth things out and help 'em blend together - instead, we get this cacophony of instruments that seem to be competing instead of playing together, and then James throws his effing yodeling in on top of it. AAAARGGH!! :bang: In short, the whole damned album sounds like a collection of demo tracks - this coming from a band whose annual income from royalties and endorsements and whatnot is so huge that they probably dwarf the wealth of some third-world nations? WTF?!? :nonono:

4. It's almost impossible not to feel compelled to compare this in some way to old-school Metallica simply because it's so glaringly obvious that they're trying WAYYYYYYYY too hard to shove the whole "look, we sound just like we used to!" thing in everyone's face. I'm absolutely certain that I actually heard AT LEAST three different riffs or licks that were borrowed from various songs of the old-school albums, as if injecting recycled bits of their classic works will somehow redeem their current tunes and automatically result in awesomeness. Umm, no, sorry, ain't working. In fact, it has quite the opposite effect (with me, anyway): it makes the stuff sound like someone else trying to be Metallica. Seriously. If I didn't know that this was actually a new and authentic Metallica album, I would swear this is just some wannabe cover band. It's pretty bad when a band is so far gone from its roots that it's blatantly obvious that even they can't play their own original songs, let alone compose anything 100% new of the same caliber, so they have to resort to plagiarizing their own stuff. Ugh.

5. I take back what I said about Metallica releasing an all-instrumental album as being a cool concept. Please, God, if you have any mercy at all, PLEASE never let Metallica do this. The one instrumental track on the album is frickin' PAINFULLY impossible to listen to all the way through. It's a spastic, random, meandering, "let's just make some crap as we go and hit record" bastard of a tune where it sounds like Kirk has just come out of a 20-year coma and is struggling to relearn how to play a solo ... and it just never frickin' seems to want to end! I tried. I really tried. But I couldn't listen to this track all the way through. I skipped around it with the slider, and every section of it sounded exactly the same with only slight variations in tempo.


So ... yeah. It sucked. Sorry. Anyone who wants to buy it based on the hype or the "it's almost-kinda-sorta Metallica for really really, man" concept ... whatever. Go for it. Me, though, I'm not buying - not just because I'm disappointed in it as a Metallica release, but because it simply isn't full-quality metal. PARTS of it are good metal, yes, but overall ... no. It's like comparing an S197 Mustang to a '69 Mustang - the S197 is trying reeeeeeeeally hard to be the '69, but it's really just a faked-out retro throwback to the glory days of the spirit upon which it was based. That, and the S197 is mostly plastic, whereas the '69 had FAR more metal ... and actually had a full frame. :D

Metallica or not, I don't dig this thing. Give me the first two tracks and the last, and I'll lie to myself and call them "previously unreleased bonus tracks" and celebrate the dim hope that perhaps Metallica is not forevermore a farce, but the rest of the poo on that album is just ... not good metal. :notnice:
 
Okay, I finished listening to it, beginning to end.





IT SUCKS. :notnice:




I wanted to like it. Really, I did. I even expected to like it. By the end of the first song, I was even convinced that I'd be running out and buying this thing tomorrow with a grin. But ... no.

No, I wasn't comparing this to old Metallica - not consciously, anyhow. From a standpoint of being a metal album, I'd only give this a 6/10 ... the same as I'd rate it as being a Metallica album. It starts strong. The first two songs? AWESOME. Great tunes. By the time the third track comes along, though, something starts coming unwound ... I dunno, maybe because the tempo slows, or maybe because the extended Kirk Hammet solos are starting to sound a bit repetitive. Then there's "The Day That Never Comes," which sets the tone for the next few songs - slower, more mainstreamy, and seeming as though the band is recording this album by playing it straight through from beginning to end and starting to become physically exhausted. (I could understand this in concert, but on an album, this seems absurd to me for some reason.) By the fifth song, Kirk's spastic solos are really starting to get on my frickin' nerves. When "Unforgiven III" rolls along, I want to give up on this steaming turd and refuse to listen to the rest of it on principle, alone - the first two "Unforgiven" songs were, well, unforgivable, so who the HELL thought anyone WANTED to hear a third iteration of this audio-borne feces? The album finishes on one last genuinely good track, however - "My Apocalypse" - which is straight-up badass ... aside from the overly loud snare that just sticks out above everything else for some weird reason.

The major flaws:

1. Again, James should STOP TRYING TO SING. Given, he's got it down good and back to basics with the first couple of songs. The vocals were spot-on RIGHT ... even though the audio mix was all wrong, and there's no reverb to make it sound "finished." The third ... ehhhh, okay. But the rest, where he falls into that "Load" and beyond style of country-esque yodeling , I could totally do without;

2. Poor Kirk seems to be trying his damnedest to overcompensate for the lackluster bassist (who looks to me like Danny Trejo without a mustache and with a gallon of oil dumped over his head) and James's inability to remember how to play anything beyond basic rhythm guitar, as he's just going berserk on the guitar solos ... which ALL SOUND EXACTLY THE SAME. "Wheeeooohwheeeoooh meedly-meedly-meedly wheeeeeeeeeawwwwrrrrrr!" ... basically, play that really fast part from the later part of "One" on repeat and add some random annoying wah pedal effects to it, and that's his solos. Really frickin' obnoxious by the time you hear it for the fifth or sixth time on the album. Kirk, you're good, but maybe put some of that energy you've got into teaching James how to play guitar, too, and get his old sober arse to work with the rest of you;

3. There is NO reverb on ANY of these tracks. None. Zero. Zilch. I dunno if the whole "live, in the studio" kind of sound is the "in" thing with these guys lately, but I for one am frickin' sick of hearing all their tunes sound like they're playing in a room filled to the ceiling with pillows. What happened to the echo-y reverb we used to hear on everything before, up to and even including the "Black Album?" It's the reason why James's vocals stand out so much more, and why I want to smash Lars Ulrich's face through the skin of his snare drum before I go insane from hearing a slightly more muted version of that same BUNG BUNG BUNG BUNG BUNG sound that helped ruin St. Anger. Just like how I use a distortion pedal to help hide my utter lack of guitar skills, adding reverb to some or all of the instruments in the mix helps smooth things out and help 'em blend together - instead, we get this cacophony of instruments that seem to be competing instead of playing together, and then James throws his effing yodeling in on top of it. AAAARGGH!! :bang: In short, the whole damned album sounds like a collection of demo tracks - this coming from a band whose annual income from royalties and endorsements and whatnot is so huge that they probably dwarf the wealth of some third-world nations? WTF?!? :nonono:

4. It's almost impossible not to feel compelled to compare this in some way to old-school Metallica simply because it's so glaringly obvious that they're trying WAYYYYYYYY too hard to shove the whole "look, we sound just like we used to!" thing in everyone's face. I'm absolutely certain that I actually heard AT LEAST three different riffs or licks that were borrowed from various songs of the old-school albums, as if injecting recycled bits of their classic works will somehow redeem their current tunes and automatically result in awesomeness. Umm, no, sorry, ain't working. In fact, it has quite the opposite effect (with me, anyway): it makes the stuff sound like someone else trying to be Metallica. Seriously. If I didn't know that this was actually a new and authentic Metallica album, I would swear this is just some wannabe cover band. It's pretty bad when a band is so far gone from its roots that it's blatantly obvious that even they can't play their own original songs, let alone compose anything 100% new of the same caliber, so they have to resort to plagiarizing their own stuff. Ugh.

5. I take back what I said about Metallica releasing an all-instrumental album as being a cool concept. Please, God, if you have any mercy at all, PLEASE never let Metallica do this. The one instrumental track on the album is frickin' PAINFULLY impossible to listen to all the way through. It's a spastic, random, meandering, "let's just make some crap as we go and hit record" bastard of a tune where it sounds like Kirk has just come out of a 20-year coma and is struggling to relearn how to play a solo ... and it just never frickin' seems to want to end! I tried. I really tried. But I couldn't listen to this track all the way through. I skipped around it with the slider, and every section of it sounded exactly the same with only slight variations in tempo.


So ... yeah. It sucked. Sorry. Anyone who wants to buy it based on the hype or the "it's almost-kinda-sorta Metallica for really really, man" concept ... whatever. Go for it. Me, though, I'm not buying - not just because I'm disappointed in it as a Metallica release, but because it simply isn't full-quality metal. PARTS of it are good metal, yes, but overall ... no. It's like comparing an S197 Mustang to a '69 Mustang - the S197 is trying reeeeeeeeally hard to be the '69, but it's really just a faked-out retro throwback to the glory days of the spirit upon which it was based. That, and the S197 is mostly plastic, whereas the '69 had FAR more metal ... and actually had a full frame. :D

Metallica or not, I don't dig this thing. Give me the first two tracks and the last, and I'll lie to myself and call them "previously unreleased bonus tracks" and celebrate the dim hope that perhaps Metallica is not forevermore a farce, but the rest of the poo on that album is just ... not good metal. :notnice:

90% of your post, i couldnt have said any better. I would also love to beat lars to death with his snare, god damn that thing is getting annoying.
 
Like em or hate, Metallica set the bar "years" ago in their prime! You can't sit there and say there new album is nothing like the old Metallica! IT"S NOT! There like what? 50? You can't compare them to 25 years ago! There just putting out the music that they know & love.
Like I said, they "already" set the bar. And no one has reached it yet! :nice:
 
Wow the voice and the reverb thing make me laugh. The first 4 albums with the exception of a couple of songs lack reverb. The black Album was reverb heavy. James has blown out his vocal chords several times and thats why he sounds like chit now. Darkwriter it seems to me you set the bar for this album in your head way before it came out and you were let down. I set no bar for this album because nothing could be worse than st.anger. This album is a mix between load and justice. I think this album is an 8 out of 10. Alot of the the guitar playing on this album is amazing even little timing stutters are perfectly placed. The first song is amazing. The unforgiven 3 and the other one Dave mentioned are the only really suck ones as far as im concerened. It sounds nothing like and better then most of the mainstream garbage one the radio now just my .02
 
I'm really not feeling it, although its far better than St. Anger and the other later albums. I guess its just hard to make the realization that its not 1990 anymore and Metallica will never produce the stuff they used to. Hey, atleast there still together and making new music that I would assume they enjoy, thats more than you can say for alot of bands that have tried to keep it going this long. I say good for them, but probably won't be purchasing the album...then again I might, so 50 years from now (when CDs are obsolete) I can say i have everything they ever made.
 
Like em or hate, Metallica set the bar "years" ago in their prime! You can't sit there and say there new album is nothing like the old Metallica! IT"S NOT! There like what? 50? You can't compare them to 25 years ago! There just putting out the music that they know & love.
Like I said, they "already" set the bar. And no one has reached it yet! :nice:

I'm not expecting them to out-do themselves; I just want them to stop sounding like something they're not. Right now, these guys sound like a cover band trying desperately to capture the "old" Metallica's sound, but they're failing at it miserably, for the most part.

Wow the voice and the reverb thing make me laugh. The first 4 albums with the exception of a couple of songs lack reverb. The black Album was reverb heavy. James has blown out his vocal chords several times and thats why he sounds like chit now. Darkwriter it seems to me you set the bar for this album in your head way before it came out and you were let down. I set no bar for this album because nothing could be worse than st.anger. This album is a mix between load and justice. I think this album is an 8 out of 10. Alot of the the guitar playing on this album is amazing even little timing stutters are perfectly placed. The first song is amazing. The unforgiven 3 and the other one Dave mentioned are the only really suck ones as far as im concerened. It sounds nothing like and better then most of the mainstream garbage one the radio now just my .02

Man, all this talking about the bar, bar, bar, bar is making me want to GO TO a bar. :D

I'm not saying my review of it is how everyone else SHOULD or is GOING TO feel about it, it's just my take on it ... and I think it sucks. Really, Metallica should have released one of those three genuinely good tracks on their as their debut single for the album - THAT would REALLY motivate people to buy the thing. But "The Day That Never Comes" was only a halfway-good track ... actually, only like 1/3rd, maybe only 1/4th, because you have to suffer through 4 minutes of slow yodeling and ballad-like crap to get to the good part of that song.

FWIW, most of the mainstream garbage isn't even metal by even the loosest of definitions - it's frickin' emo garbage. Green Day and all that ... bleh. Not metal. Metallica ... ALMOST metal, now, I'll give them that. But still, not quite there, yet. The only way they can truly get back to their roots is to stop writing songs that are meant to be played on the radio, kill their frickin' sound engineer, and teach James to focus upon his guitar skills instead of singing.

Again, I can't say these guys aren't at least leaning in the right direction, but they've got a long ways to go. They're basically following on the heels of Megadeth ... who, by the way, isn't 100% quite yet, either, but they're a helluva lot farther along on the right track. I mean, I may not absolutely LOVE every track on Megadeth's latest album, but I can at least stand to listen to all of 'em - this new Metallica album only has 3, maybe 4 even worth a regular listen, IMO. :notnice:
 
Comparing metallica and megadeth is like comparing apples to oranges. Metallica was mainstream metal meanwhile megadeth wasnt. Hell by todays standards either band isnt even considered metal.
 
It seems to me that some people will just never be happy.


On one hand, a band goes out and takes an artists' right to explore new things, and people brand them as sell outs. Granted, a band establishes a sound and their fans expect to get that from them every time, and it's going to make some people unhappy...which it did.

Then, a band tries to go back to their old sound and people ridicule them and say they're trying to be something they're not or can't be, all the while not taking into consideration that these guys are pushing 50 years old and don't really have the same fire they had 25 years ago.

I dunno. Everyone's a critic these days. Everyone has their own expectation of pretty much everything they consume. My buddy listened to their single on the radio and immediately branded the whole album as a POS without hearing anything else. Last night i played a few songs for him and he changed his tune.

As i've gotten older, i've learned that money does things to bands and your heros never live up to your own personal inner hype. Because of that i've learned that you have to just take things as face value and not set such high standards or you're gonna be let down constantly. If i want it heavier, i'll listen to Amon Amarth or Hatebreed or Throwdown or one of the thousands of other heavier bands. If i want it "like it used to be", i've still got the first 4 albums. When i get tired of hearing either of those, at least now i have something better than Load/Reload/St. Anger to jam to.
 
It seems to me that some people will just never be happy.


On one hand, a band goes out and takes an artists' right to explore new things, and people brand them as sell outs. Granted, a band establishes a sound and their fans expect to get that from them every time, and it's going to make some people unhappy...which it did.

Then, a band tries to go back to their old sound and people ridicule them and say they're trying to be something they're not or can't be, all the while not taking into consideration that these guys are pushing 50 years old and don't really have the same fire they had 25 years ago.

I dunno. Everyone's a critic these days. Everyone has their own expectation of pretty much everything they consume. My buddy listened to their single on the radio and immediately branded the whole album as a POS without hearing anything else. Last night i played a few songs for him and he changed his tune.

As i've gotten older, i've learned that money does things to bands and your heros never live up to your own personal inner hype. Because of that i've learned that you have to just take things as face value and not set such high standards or you're gonna be let down constantly. If i want it heavier, i'll listen to Amon Amarth or Hatebreed or Throwdown or one of the thousands of other heavier bands. If i want it "like it used to be", i've still got the first 4 albums. When i get tired of hearing either of those, at least now i have something better than Load/Reload/St. Anger to jam to.

:hail2: I couldnt of said it better.
 
It seems to me that some people will just never be happy.


On one hand, a band goes out and takes an artists' right to explore new things, and people brand them as sell outs. Granted, a band establishes a sound and their fans expect to get that from them every time, and it's going to make some people unhappy...which it did.

Then, a band tries to go back to their old sound and people ridicule them and say they're trying to be something they're not or can't be, all the while not taking into consideration that these guys are pushing 50 years old and don't really have the same fire they had 25 years ago.

Exactly; it's the whole "Catch-22" delmma.
 
Yeah, and that's probably what's going to happen with the majority of the reviews on this album. They finally come around and go back to their old style...granted it's now 20 years later...and still people are fussy about it.

Wait and see what happens if that Guns N Roses album EVER comes out. You think Axle doesn't know this stuff? That's why he hasn't put it out yet. Even if it's a fantastic album, they'll just say it's not as good as the old stuff and give him crap for it.

It's funny, if you watch the Chappell Show lost episodes, he says the same thing about why he didn't do another season..."they're just gonna say it's not as good as last season"..lol.
 
After skimming through the album, I would say my 2 favs are 'all nightmare long' and 'the judas kiss'. Its nothing like the stuff from the 80's but you can't ever expect them to sound like that.

Im hoping to pick up tickets for their show in january here in NY. They're playing with Machine Head and The Sword. I'd go just to see Machine Head, them alone would be worth it :D
 
Wow the voice and the reverb thing make me laugh. The first 4 albums with the exception of a couple of songs lack reverb. The black Album was reverb heavy. James has blown out his vocal chords several times and thats why he sounds like chit now. Darkwriter it seems to me you set the bar for this album in your head way before it came out and you were let down. I set no bar for this album because nothing could be worse than st.anger. This album is a mix between load and justice. I think this album is an 8 out of 10. Alot of the the guitar playing on this album is amazing even little timing stutters are perfectly placed. The first song is amazing. The unforgiven 3 and the other one Dave mentioned are the only really suck ones as far as im concerened. It sounds nothing like and better then most of the mainstream garbage one the radio now just my .02

See... and this coming from two metal musicians means we win :p


;)


Anyway, I hate Dream Theater. Total wanking IMO. Tremendous talent, no doubt, but the songs are completely lacking to me. If you like virtuoso work, check out Buried In Oblivion and The Scattering of Ashes by Into Eternity. That guitarist is nuts, plus the songs are solid.
 
The only Dream Theater song i could get into was Pull Me Under that played on the radio back when they had a bit of recognition. I couldn't get into the other stuff.

Apparently Best Buy has the Metallica album for $9.99 so i'm going out to buy it. For the typical mall price of $18 i would think twice, but that's a good price.
 
I just looked on ticketmaster for Metallica ticket prices for the NY show. $75 or $95..ew! Might have to get tickets for bodom, black dahlia murder and between the buried and me instead
 
a) What did you honestly expect for Metallica in this day and age?
b) You should be going to see COB/BDM/BTBAM *anyway*

Dude, next month I have the most metal week ever:

10/10: COB/BDM/BTBAM (part of metal fest so a few other bands are playing that night along w/the 2 following nights)
10/14: Iced Earth/Into Eternity
10/17: Amon Amarth

AC/DC is coming around in November, Metallica in January...w00t!

\m/
 
The only reason i'd want to see them is because A) they're playing 10 minutes away and B) I am a huge fan of machine head!

Gotta see of my boy wants to go to cob/bdm with me.