Official Tremec 3650 Issues Thread

Help please

Mustang225 said:
I will have to say that Jon is truly a friend to us Tremec 3650 sufferers as he's been mailing me whenever I ask a question. He's even given me his phone number should I want to talk to him directly...and NO...I'm not going to post it here, so please don't ask. I think we need to wait about 2 weeks on this and then call the Ford dealers. If by chance Ford hasn't admitted a TSB is/was issued then I will call Jon for his help.
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The TSB was to be written this week or last week by Ford. I know that all parts are on hand in our inventory and will be available to Ford Dealers soon.


Jon A. Vieth

Product Line Manager


I have been to my dealer a couple times now about my Mach citing TSB's and they wont fix anything under them. They say just because there is a TSB doesnt automatically qualify you for a repair. my car shifts hard has valve noise a rattling seat and a suspension clunk. All listed in TSBs i get no help only the if youve reved your car and we see it in your ECU your warranty will be void and youll owe the money for diagnosis.

You guys make it sound so easy what is the correct process to get a dealer to fix the car. Ford customer care says take it back the service manager just looks for ways to get around the issues. argumentative etc.
 
skhagen said:
I have been to my dealer a couple times now about my Mach citing TSB's and they wont fix anything under them. They say just because there is a TSB doesnt automatically qualify you for a repair. my car shifts hard has valve noise a rattling seat and a suspension clunk. All listed in TSBs i get no help only the if youve reved your car and we see it in your ECU your warranty will be void and youll owe the money for diagnosis.

You guys make it sound so easy what is the correct process to get a dealer to fix the car. Ford customer care says take it back the service manager just looks for ways to get around the issues. argumentative etc.

No one is saying that it's easy. But within the last week, the information that I was able to obtained has given us hope.
 
Yea, my last fix I thought was good, but after 6000 since the last fix it has started again. I'll be taking it to the dealer and tell them about these parts. If they can get them they'll put them in under warranty since mine is fubar now. I'll let ya know what happens.
 
skhagen said:
I have been to my dealer a couple times now about my Mach citing TSB's and they wont fix anything under them. They say just because there is a TSB doesnt automatically qualify you for a repair. my car shifts hard has valve noise a rattling seat and a suspension clunk. All listed in TSBs i get no help only the if youve reved your car and we see it in your ECU your warranty will be void and youll owe the money for diagnosis.

You guys make it sound so easy what is the correct process to get a dealer to fix the car. Ford customer care says take it back the service manager just looks for ways to get around the issues. argumentative etc.


Tell them you revved your car because the notchy tranny made it hard to get into 2nd and you let out the clutch too quick..

Riley
 
skhagen said:
I have been to my dealer a couple times now about my Mach citing TSB's and they wont fix anything under them.

Just a few tips on warranty work:

I wouldn't cite the TSB number, I would familiarize myself with its contents and innocently cite the symptoms to the Service Manager in a nonchalant way. If you approach a technical person with the attitude that you know their job and you've got it all figured out, that person is going to resist. It's a natural tendency among people who consider themselves "experts."

skhagen said:
my car shifts hard has valve noise a rattling seat and a suspension clunk.

Do you mean the valve seat or the a$$ seat? Manufacturers are not responsible for rattles in the interior.

Also, if the clunk you refer to happens when you shift quickly into a gear, I think it is normal. When I downshift quickly into first or second, the transmission moves on its mounts and makes a noise similar to a bass drum.This is NOT the same as a crunch going into gear.

skhagen said:
if youve reved your car and we see it in your ECU your warranty will be void and youll owe the money for diagnosis.

Do you mean your dealer tried to void your warranty because you hit the rev limiter? I don't think there's any general rule that allows them to do that. I think most people will hit the limiter occasionally. If hitting the limiter were really that bad, wouldn't Ford just set the limit lower?

skhagen said:
You guys make it sound so easy what is the correct process to get a dealer to fix the car. Ford customer care says take it back the service manager just looks for ways to get around the issues. argumentative etc.

I think you are dealing with a human relations issue. You need to find a good dealership and cultivate a relationship with the Service Managers. I've had several parts replaced under warranty, including a broken gas pedal, a taillamp assembly, and a headlamp assembly. They probably could have blamed any of those failures on hard driving. I have certainly hit the rev limiter a few times. Even the headlamp/taillamp could be blamed on "body flex" or some BS like that.

The point is, you need to work with the service personnel. The minute you get into an adversarial relationship with them, you're screwed. It sounds like you've gone over their heads to FoMoCo itself... believe me, the dealer would not be happy about that.

In general, I don't think the dealership or its employees have any incentive to shirk on warranty work. When a dealer does warranty work, Ford is paying the dealer to do work. The dealer is making money regardless of whether you pay for the repair or Ford does. You need to think of your dealer as your partner in dealing with Ford. If you reach the point where the dealer is partnering with Ford in dealing with you, you're outmatched.
 
My friend asked me take his 2002 GT for a ride last week. We both bought same car at same time last Jan. He has been noticing since he got the car a 1st-2nd grind mostly when cold. I took car for a ride & noticed nothing. Now I'm really wondering after reading all the problems you guys have posted. At first, I thought it was just him, now I'm not sure.
 
You guys are probably wright about a CS issue. The rev limimter issue i thought was bogus myself. As for ford paying the salesman told me ford only pays 52.00 an hour the shop rate here is 68.00 so there is some incentive.

On another note the tick I refer to is the lifter or head noise on the driver side. Id bet mine is the cam follower because it goes away occasionally.

Thanks for the responses.
Id say Ill have to drive the 80 miles to another dealer my local one is not eaeger to work on my car.
 
warranty repair of Mach 1's

You guys are probably wright about a CS issue. The rev limimter issue i thought was bogus myself. As for ford paying the salesman told me ford only pays 52.00 an hour the shop rate here is 68.00 so there is some incentive.

On another note the tick I refer to is the lifter or head noise on the driver side. Id bet mine is the cam follower because it goes away occasionally.

Thanks for the responses.
Id say Ill have to drive the 80 miles to another dealer my local one is not eaeger to work on my car.
 
skhagen said:
You guys are probably wright about a CS issue. The rev limimter issue i thought was bogus myself. As for ford paying the salesman told me ford only pays 52.00 an hour the shop rate here is 68.00 so there is some incentive.

On another note the tick I refer to is the lifter or head noise on the driver side. Id bet mine is the cam follower because it goes away occasionally.

Thanks for the responses.
Id say Ill have to drive the 80 miles to another dealer my local one is not eaeger to work on my car.
My Fried Just Started at a ford dealership in Pa as a service writer. I asked him to let me know if any TSB's come out on the Tremec 3650. I will Let yous know if he hears anything. I talk to him at least once every couple of weeks.Dom
 
About the trans

I have a 2001 gt It has 46,000 miles on it . I'm a ford tech and I rebuild these trannys ever day. I have close to 200 1/4 mile runs and a full season of emra road racing. Although I've lost 4 engines I,m still running a untouched t3650... For all those having problems I suggest You install a quality shifter, w/stops (pro 5.0) and fords semi senthetic merc v auto trans fluid. If That does not hepl matters, I suggest you relearn on how to shift that trans........ 153mph@walkensglen New York.........................................................
Twisted said:
After reading several threads on this board as well as others. It is apparent that the Tremec 3650 Transmission has a known flaw. You can call it 1-2nd grind/clunk, cold gear clash, bent shift forks, whatever it is, it seems that Ford Dealers are told to tell you that "It's Normal"

I would like to get a list going of everyone that is experiencing difficulties. It is a long shot, but if we get enough people gathered maybe Ford will do something. Strength in Numbers.

I'll start the list:
Name Vehicle First Noticed Problems

Jason Prokosch 2002 Mustang GT 8000miles
 
Mike Tilney said:
I have a 2001 gt It has 46,000 miles on it . I'm a ford tech and I rebuild these trannys ever day. I have close to 200 1/4 mile runs and a full season of emra road racing. Although I've lost 4 engines I,m still running a untouched t3650... For all those having problems I suggest You install a quality shifter, w/stops (pro 5.0) and fords semi senthetic merc v auto trans fluid. If That does not hepl matters, I suggest you relearn on how to shift that trans........ 153mph@walkensglen New York.........................................................

I've been driving a manual trans since 1973 and without a doubt the TR3650 is the worst I've ever driven. Even when warm/hot you can still feel the notchy BS between 1-2 and 3-4. My 89 T-5 with 225,000 miles feels better than my 03 GT TR3650.

If it was "our" fault on how to drive a 3650, then tell me why Tremec has issued replacement parts to fix the notchy feel and suggests lowering the tranny oil to 3.2L.
 
Mike Tilney said:
I have a 2001 gt It has 46,000 miles on it . I'm a ford tech and I rebuild these trannys ever day. I have close to 200 1/4 mile runs and a full season of emra road racing. Although I've lost 4 engines I,m still running a untouched t3650... For all those having problems I suggest You install a quality shifter, w/stops (pro 5.0) and fords semi senthetic merc v auto trans fluid. If That does not hepl matters, I suggest you relearn on how to shift that trans........ 153mph@walkensglen New York.........................................................

You have to be one ass, and you have to be the most clueless person there is, O wait your a ford tech, "theres never anything wrong" Come drive my car, and you will see that you are wrong. Why dont you read all the 18 papes before this one, before you throw a comment like that one in. You will find it has nothing to do with shifts, nor a different shifter.
 
Mike Tilney said:
I have a 2001 gt It has 46,000 miles on it . I'm a ford tech and I rebuild these trannys ever day. I have close to 200 1/4 mile runs and a full season of emra road racing. Although I've lost 4 engines I,m still running a untouched t3650... For all those having problems I suggest You install a quality shifter, w/stops (pro 5.0) and fords semi senthetic merc v auto trans fluid. If That does not hepl matters, I suggest you relearn on how to shift that trans........ 153mph@walkensglen New York.........................................................


Here we go.

1. Why do you rebuild those EVERY DAY if they are the best transmission in the world?

2. If you read the others, NOT EVERYONE HAS PROBLEMS. Some people have tortured them at the track and have no complaints!

3. Some of us don't work at Ford, so we can't get them to warranty 4 motors when we blow them up racing. Same with transmissions.

4. As you should know, it's a TR3650.

5. It's Watkins Glen, NY.

6. If it needs a shifter to work right, is Ford buying them for us? Same with the fluid.

7. If you could, explain how I should shift it to keep it from grinding 2nd, and notching into 3rd.

8. How about 8.24 and 172, in the 1/4?

9. Oh yeah, and just for good measure, .............................................................................
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Thank you for your time.
 
I've joined the site because of this thread. I took my 02 GT 11,000 miles to the dealership this morning and the tech said that he didnt notice anyhting wrong. I took the part #'s posted earlier in the thread from the Parts Information Letter and was told that the parts are for 2003 and my car is an 02 so Ford wont pay for it unless there is a TSB saying they are allowed to do so. The tech offered to tear my tranny down so I guess that will begin tomorrow after I go there at 7am on my way to work to drive it with him. I told him to find the problem first instead of throwing parts at it like the output shaft bearing kit and synchros listed in the PIL. MY problem may be completely different.
 
Sonic02GT said:
I've joined the site because of this thread. I took my 02 GT 11,000 miles to the dealership this morning and the tech said that he didnt notice anyhting wrong. I took the part #'s posted earlier in the thread from the Parts Information Letter and was told that the parts are for 2003 and my car is an 02 so Ford wont pay for it unless there is a TSB saying they are allowed to do so. The tech offered to tear my tranny down so I guess that will begin tomorrow after I go there at 7am on my way to work to drive it with him. I told him to find the problem first instead of throwing parts at it like the output shaft bearing kit and synchros listed in the PIL. MY problem may be completely different.

I hope you're not paying for the tear down?
 
ok heres the new story i got from the dealer today.....

I was told there is no fix for the problem and Ford knows about it but hasnt come up with a fix yet and they should be releasing a TSB after the first of the year so I should wait til then.

I think that is unacceptable that i bring my car to the dealer and they tell me oh well, bring it back when there is a TSB otherwise we cant fix it. That is bull.

I've got to find the district rep's phone number.
 
Sonic02GT

I feel your pain. This is the exact reason behind the thread. We all know that this is not "normal" or healthy for our transmissions. We try to bring it to the dealer to have it fixed. They play dumb, act like it is normal, give us some new fluid/lower fill level BS to try and fix it. If it was normal, why are they changing the fluid?

Either way I was able to duplicate the problem with the dealers transmission specialist in the car with me and they still refuse to do anything.

Let us know how you make out.
 
the service manager told me to take any GT off the lot and they will all do it so that makes it normal. I told him that just because they all do it doesnt mean its right. It means they all have a problem. All he had to say to that was to tell me that ford is working on a fix for the millionth time. I got pissed and took the car from them because I didnt want them working on it anymore.

I stopped by the dealer this morning on my way to work and I drove with a tech. The car sat in the lot all night so it was nice and cold. it was about 20 degrees out and it clashed like a mofo and even the tech cringed at the sound. no denying that.