Okay, who knows alot about front end work?

[MSM0075]

Some of you saw my post about me breaking a ball joint the other day after leaving the inspection station. I already bought both ball joints, and I notice I also need new control arms. While I'm at it I might as well upgrade my springs, front break system along with new bushings and sway bar end links. I already have a new pump, rack, and all tie rod ends. Once I'm done I'll have an almost new front end. Since I need new control arms I've done some reasearch in MM's versions, Well most come with new ball joints, Should I just return these 50 dollar ball joints I've already bought? Or should I just buy junkyard a-arms? I hate dealing with JY's.

I know theres a site out there about complete break upgrades on FOX mustangs but I have formatted my hard drive and lost it

Can you guys tell me what products are best for my complete upgrade?

Thanks!

 

[griffinzein]

you could do like i did. jack the front end out of a mustangII i modified the frone end of my 93 to hold it. (cut the front subfram of the II and took all the suspension parts out steering included and did the same thing to my fox then just welded the stang II clip in its place) they also make after market mustang II IFS systems you can buy and adapt. the handling boost blew my mind cause i wasnt expecting it to be as great as it is, plus the stang II ifs uses shocks instead of struts so you can get some ultra cheap coilover kist for it. and the after market for the stang II front end is insane with parts like tubular A arms and such. its erally a fantastic handling upgrade. if you are intrested you can drop email me at rogue_39111Ayahoo.com and ill give you the list of mods you would need to perform and how much it costed me, prices in your area may vary according to how proud the jy is of the stang II you want the frontclip out of.but over all its cheap....just time consuming took me 2 weeks.

 

[TurboFlush]

of all cars to upgrade to!
All the MII's I have driven have some slopy handling. My dad had a custom Sway bar made for his II and it helped a good deal, but it still is a darn buble machine.

please do send this to me, as I am very interested [email protected]
any pics??

regards,
TF

 

[nomuffler]

of all cars to upgrade to!
All the MII's I have driven have some slopy handling. My dad had a custom Sway bar made for his II and it helped a good deal, but it still is a darn buble machine.

That has mostly to do with the spring shock package, which is easily fixed with the aformentioned coilover kit. The II's suspension is superior in that it uses two control arms per side instead of McStruts, the wisbone type suspension keeps the wheels from changing their camber wildly while moving up and down. This is interesting, any pics? I'd like to read more about this.

 

[MSM0075]

I don't want to go that extreme with mods, I just want to replace and perhaps upgrade.

I'm going to return the ball joints I bought and buy some A-Arms from MaximumMotorsports since one of mine is damaged. They also include new ball joints.

I looked at my passengers side control arm and the end where the ball joint is is practically sitting inside the inner part of the rotor, and when the wheel rotates the a-arm grinds on the rotor. Is this due to bad ball joints??

 

[griffinzein]

thats dues to a whole lot of bad things, lol mainly the ball joint and some bad bushings among other things. and i have pics that ill have to run down. since i moved i have had everything boxed and havent completly unpacked yet.

 

[griffinzein]

i am and advocate of the M II ifs cause theya re simple and easy compared to any other and after market parts are every wehre for them but now for the install procedure, and remember this is only an outline of what to do because every car is different in some way and this is a custom fit process, even the kits ill tell you about arent for fox body mustangs you have to modify them to fit, and i will not take any responsibility for you cutting some too short or drilling the wrong hole in the wrong spot, this is your car and your responsibility to make sure you do it right. and i would suggets that you use lots of braces every where cause this is the front end of your car and nothing would be worse than it falling out of the car at about 80 mph mine hasnt and wont because i did it right and braced everything. ok i would have emailed it to you but since others wanna know aobut it heres what you do. first you gotta get a cross member that will fit between your frame rails. i modified mine from an original m II ifs that had been wrecked in the back end. or you can go to one of these sites http://www.hotrodssuperstore.com/musiiifskits.html or http://www.streetrodparts.tv/tci_MustangII-improved.htm or my all time faveorite brand http://www.srbymichael.com/manufacturers/heidts/Heidts-mustang.shtml next thing pull the motor remove EVERYTHING from your old suspension and i mean if it has ANYTHING to do with it even the cross member and everything concerning the steering, as this will all be replaces later. make sure you tack weld some braces in first cause you dont want the front end contorted when ur finished. next you fabricate a cross member that will fit between your frame rails (preferably square and straight as possible meaning no drooping spot to make room for the oil pan..... dry sumps are a good way around oil pan probs. cause you can make a smaller oil pan to clear the cross member. after you have the cross member in you weld in the shock towers and ditch the old strut towers.and as far as the a arms are concerned the best way to do this is make sure you got either the year with equal length (as a few years of mII had unequal length but im not sure which ones most kits have equal length) temporarily mount the A arms to the spindle and measure from the center of the top A arm to the center of the lower A arm. and make sur that you mount the A arms so that when you are finished the distance from the center of both A arms are the same on both ends so that the suspension geometry is the same on both sides and the camber doesnt change as the tire moves up and down. or you can buy the kits in which case you are gonna save time and spend alot of money. mounting the A arms is really simple all you have to do is look at the way they are mounted on the M II and copy it on your car. dont forget to get new tierod ends of the proper length and remount your steering unit, for this you will have to fabricate brackets, or do like me and just drill the cross member and bolt it into place. with some kits the A arms are already mounted to the cross member and all you have to do is cut out the cross member and a section of your frame rails and weld in the new cross member and frame rail section. now when you finish you can take the tacked in braces out. but make sure every thing is reinforced and the welds are good. you may be wondering whats the benifit of putting all this work into my car? well first you get a slightly lower front end and you have A arms available that are adjustable thats right you can adjust castor and camber. you can also get the kist with air ride already set up so all you have to do is mount the pumps and solenoinds and run the air lines, get an adjust able coil over kist and adjust ride hight when ever you want. i have a set of ninja shocks they are a gas coil over shocks that you can adjust stiffness and ride hight. the MII ifs is also abour 45 pounds lighter than the stock fox front end.

 

[MSM0075]

I returned the ball joints I bought.

I'm going to order these ( http://www.maximummotorsports.com/fordcontrolarm.asp ) from Maximum Motorsports.

 

[griffinzein]

goood choice thats the cheapest way to go. but if you lived near temple texas i would let you take mine out for a ride and compare the two and see which you liked the best.

 

[griffinzein]

and i just recently added a hiedts M II front suspension to my 87 blazer and for an SUV it out handles any fox body stang around... cept mine with the MII ifs lol

 

[seijirou]

Does anybody else have more information about this?
Griffin, when you say you modified your original MII piece, what does that mean? What modifications did you have to perform?