power steering???

64/2stang · Feb 15, 2010

Anyone use Borgeson power boxes? https://www.borgeson.com/xcart/home.php?cat=104
looks to be a little cheaper than power rack n pinion like tcp or flamin river.
My wife weighs in @ 95lbs and pretty sure she wants power steering. I was just wondering if any one knows any thing bout theese boxes, are they like a power assist for manual steer???

Any help is greatly appreciated

2+2GT · Feb 15, 2010

Well, it's easy to get bogged down in terms, they are integral power steering, with no external components. The original had a control valve and assist cylinder added onto essentially the same gearbox as the manual steering. The Borgeson needs only a pressure pump for power. Won't work with stock clutch linkage, if that's a problem.

You don't need anything from FR to go with OE style power steering. This is available in kit form from Glazier Nolan, NPD, MU, etc. You for sure don't need to go R&P.

chockostang · Feb 15, 2010

One thing for sure, you put in the 4 turn "Power Steering" box in, she'll back hand you for sure!

Dan @

ChockoStang

64/2stang · Feb 15, 2010

thanks guys for the quick respons. Guess i have to do some more looking.
Dan, Im confused why Im getting backhanded.(steers easy?)
2+2 could you link what ur talking bout, please. just looked at the sites u listed and found nothing but r&p. thanx again!

2+2GT · Feb 15, 2010

There were 2 gearboxes, the standard 5-turn, and the optional 4-turn. The 4-turn was included in the heavy duty suspension option, the GT package, and all factory power steering cars. The non-power 4-turn takes some muscle.

chockostang · Feb 16, 2010

The 5 turn box will take less muscle/steering effert than the 4 turn box.

It's a simple matter of gear ratio at work. The more revolutions, the less effert.

How hard would it be to turn if you had to do it in one turn with no gears???? Now you see.

Dan @

ChockoStang

mikethebike · Feb 16, 2010

2+2GT said:
There were 2 gearboxes, the standard 5-turn, and the optional 4-turn. The 4-turn was included in the heavy duty suspension option, the GT package, and all factory power steering cars. The non-power 4-turn takes some muscle.

Add the Shelby quick steering arms and a 14" Personal wheel with 205/60-15 Euro/TA's and you sure don't need a Bowflex for your upper body work-out!

2+2GT · Feb 16, 2010

Um, yeah, I had the 4-turn and Shelby quick arms on my driver for 15 years. Saved a lotta money not needing a gym membership.

other_shoe · Feb 16, 2010

Dan, you're not suggesting he keep the 5 turn box while adding the rest of the factory PS components are you?

That is what I had on mine when I got it and I found it unpleasant/disconcerting with the car moving at any real speed. It was worlds better after I replaced it with a four turn, although some of that may have been from having a box that was in better shape.

I would think that with properly refurbished PS components she would find it manageable, though 95 lbs is tiny.

64/2stang, I'm agnostic on the original PS vs. Borgeson vs. R&P, but if you choose to go the original route my impression from reading a lot of posts here is that you are better off going with a quality rebuild than supposedly new components.

I think that 2+2 is referring to rebuilding kits for the various components, which is good if you have the time, tools, aptitude, and core parts.

If you have the cores, you can also pay a specialist to rebuild -- according to his website Dan/ChockoStang does it as does Stanger and a quick search of the forum should give you a good idea of their reputations. Be very wary of letting someone who lacks expertise in PS "tighten" your steering components. There are a lot of stories that start with that choice and don't end happily.

If you don't have the cores -- and I'm pretty sure you don't from your OP -- then there are dealers like Chocko who can provide complete rebuilt kits. I honestly wouldn't mess around with scrounging up the cores and rebuilding them myself, but that has more to do with the mix of time, tools, and aptitude.

2+2GT · Feb 16, 2010

All true, buut bear in mind the well-documented dealer-installation power steeing systems did NOT include a 4-turn steering box, they were added to existing 5-turn boxes, if that's what the car had. I wouldn't like it either, but it's legit.

other_shoe · Feb 16, 2010

That's good to know, 2+2. Thanks for pointing that out.

64/2stang · Feb 16, 2010

Hey everyone thanks for all the replies and taking the time to do it in black and white for me. The car is not power steer and has a 170 i6. hoping to go 302 or 5.0. front disc. I am planning to start dissasembly as soon as the snow melts, provided i find a job by then. Just trying to plan ahead as much as posible. Steering and suspension is after all the extensive body work; floors, front rails, rear rails, 1/4 panels, outer wheel house, torque boxes, fenders, lower door skins, and whatever else i find during dissassembly.
Damn MN and their damn salt habits.

2+2GT · Feb 16, 2010

64/2stang said:
hoping to go 302 or 5.0. front disc.

I thought this was her car. You can do disc brakes, dual exhaust, hot cam, etc., with the 170. And the 170 can do something a 302 can't. 30 mpg.

64/2stang · Feb 16, 2010

Its her dream car but will be driven by both of us and I just wanted to make it more friendly for her to handle. I have thought bout building the 170,however it seems like it would cost almost as much to build. I have also been told the 170is not a good canidate w/ only 4 main bearings. I have put that by her and seems she would like a V8. As for the rest of the drive train would the trans, driveshaft and rearend hold up to a built 170. and what kind of torque/ hp could be posible?
thanx again for all the help, greatly appreciated!

chockostang · Feb 16, 2010

other_shoe said:
Dan, you're not suggesting he keep the 5 turn box while adding the rest of the factory PS components are you?

That is what I had on mine when I got it and I found it unpleasant/disconcerting with the car moving at any real speed. It was worlds better after I replaced it with a four turn, although some of that may have been from having a box that was in better shape.

I would think that with properly refurbished PS components she would find it manageable, though 95 lbs is tiny.

64/2stang, I'm agnostic on the original PS vs. Borgeson vs. R&P, but if you choose to go the original route my impression from reading a lot of posts here is that you are better off going with a quality rebuild than supposedly new components.

I think that 2+2 is referring to rebuilding kits for the various components, which is good if you have the time, tools, aptitude, and core parts.

If you have the cores, you can also pay a specialist to rebuild -- according to his website Dan/ChockoStang does it as does Stanger and a quick search of the forum should give you a good idea of their reputations. Be very wary of letting someone who lacks expertise in PS "tighten" your steering components. There are a lot of stories that start with that choice and don't end happily.

If you don't have the cores -- and I'm pretty sure you don't from your OP -- then there are dealers like Chocko who can provide complete rebuilt kits. I honestly wouldn't mess around with scrounging up the cores and rebuilding them myself, but that has more to do with the mix of time, tools, and aptitude.

Very good question, and I appreciate your direction.

No, if a fairly able person, a person that "Wants" to feel the driving of the Mustang, then Yes, install a 4 turn box, get the muscle back in the steering.

Folks don't understand the ease of the steering, keeping the extra leverage of the 5 turn box, then adding the Hydralics of the assist. It gets very easy steering, and down right uncomfortable to some of us---Yes at 60 years old!@

We have had Folks--Won't class here- that think a 5 tuirn box with Factory Power Assist is the best thing since store bought sliced bread??

Others take the 5 turn off, send in for a 4 turn??

It's Dam good here in America we have a choice, we are all different, we can choose.

Randy at Stanger is a Great Person!!!!!!!! Just might call Randy in a day to two, we will have talked about meeting on our journey to the valley.

Dan @

ChockoStang

2+2GT · Feb 16, 2010

It's true that the 170 has only 4 main bearings, that just makes it average. It suffers from comparison to the 200, which was almost indestructible. It's also more difficult to install a T5 5-speed on the 170.

Just bear in mind as you plan the conversion, you'll have to replace everything but the body and interior.

64/2stang · Feb 16, 2010

2+2GT said:
Just bear in mind as you plan the conversion, you'll have to replace everything but the body and interior.

Pretty sure we've been over this ^topic on another forum for mustang enthusiasts! None of my/our plans are set in stone, besides the fact Id like to get the body work done this summer and hopefully get it finished and on the road by the summer of '11. First thing we need to apply for a title, and i need to find a job before she's gunna let me spend any $.

64/2stang · Feb 19, 2010

Guess the FoMoCo gods were readin this thread. Just got the new mustangmonthly yestrday n found they had a how to install borgeson. Think Im gunna try it out when we get to that point in the resto.
I just bout called mm and asked bout my subscription usually I get it in the first 10 days of the month, maby the mail man needed something to read on lunch for the past week.

mmaki · Feb 20, 2010

For some reason the price of this box just went up. Summit had them for $460 and now $520. Anyone know another source?

64/2stang · Feb 20, 2010

mmaki said:
For some reason the price of this box just went up. Summit had them for $460 and now $520. Anyone know another source?

U can call summit and tell them u'll be ordering and ask for a discount code 10 to 15 %off, from what Ive read. If they dont wana give u a break find it somewhere else, try borgeson.com or contact them and ask who carries them. I'd be interested in youre thoughts on the steering after install so make sure to post it up afterwards.

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