The II broke down in an Albertson parking lot. The starter just whines but I dont think that is catching the flywheel. The starter and the car were running perfectly before all this. any ideas?
II many problems and so little $$$
Problems with starter maybe or flywheel?
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The II broke down in an Albertson parking lot. The starter just whines but I dont think that is catching the flywheel. The starter and the car were running perfectly before all this. any ideas?
II many problems and so little $$$
Did the starter grind or sound like it was working harder than it should be to turn over the engine ? .. The same thing happened to my brother's truck and the starter wasn't fully engaging the flywheel and it ended up chewing the teeth off of the flywheel 
.. hope its something insignifigant.. we all know about flywheels for ii's
.. hope its something insignifigant.. we all know about flywheels for ii's
cobraii74x said:Did the starter grind or sound like it was working harder than it should be to turn over the engine ? .. The same thing happened to my brother's truck and the starter wasn't fully engaging the flywheel and it ended up chewing the teeth off of the flywheel
No, the starter and everything sounded good, just all of the sudden wouldn't turn the engine over at all, the starter just winds up now.
cobraii351 said:
I have a lifetime warranty on the starter, so I will just replace it. I'll know more when I get the car home and tear into it.
IICrazy said:
go with the drive replacement if it sounded good before. Once you lose the original fitting casing its all down hill As a matter of a fact some folks just have their original rebuilt. I know you said it was a lifetime but there are differences in the casings Trust me!!!!
Good luck.. drives are only 6 bux
reach down and turn the motor by had a little bit and try it again. if it is the ring gear this will tell you.
more than likely it is the starter, but it could be this
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happened to me, and that is what it sounded like
more than likely it is the starter, but it could be this
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happened to me, and that is what it sounded like
So it's not making a 'klunk' before it spins up?
The klunk is the plunge lever being pulled into the special field coil and moving the bendix into the ring gear.
When the plunger seats it opens a contact that breaks a ground and the motor starts turning.
If the contacts aren't grounding the special field probably isn't making enough EMF to pull the plunger into position, thus no clunk and no bendix engagment.
So you may only have a set of boffed contacts inside the starter. May be broken, may only need to be cleaned.
Addendum:
Many times a grinding Ford starter is this set of ground contacts going south coupled with a weak return spring. Because the contacts are bad the motor starts turning soon as juice is put to it, and the spring isn't strong enough to keep the plunger from being 'slowly' pulled into the field coil so there is a spinning bendix engaging the ring gear.
The klunk is the plunge lever being pulled into the special field coil and moving the bendix into the ring gear.
When the plunger seats it opens a contact that breaks a ground and the motor starts turning.
If the contacts aren't grounding the special field probably isn't making enough EMF to pull the plunger into position, thus no clunk and no bendix engagment.
So you may only have a set of boffed contacts inside the starter. May be broken, may only need to be cleaned.
Addendum:
Many times a grinding Ford starter is this set of ground contacts going south coupled with a weak return spring. Because the contacts are bad the motor starts turning soon as juice is put to it, and the spring isn't strong enough to keep the plunger from being 'slowly' pulled into the field coil so there is a spinning bendix engaging the ring gear.
zwhitr said:
Wellll
No reason to get rid of anything except the broken part .....
Get another starter, take it home, swap out what you need into your starter, put the other starter back together with the scrap parts and take it back to the parts house.
Fact, you can build a pretty good starter using this method.
And part's houses are filled with trained Monkeys who couldn't find the difference if you gave them a map.
Trust me.
Stewart Ledford
Founding Member
Stewart Ledford
Founding Member
laughs....hey thats great.....you can also push start....us C4 guys are really stuck.....can carry a spare starter in the tire well but then removing that motor mount and header & lifting the engine along a busy highways a real bitch.IICrazy said:
Glad you figured out your problem.
Stewart
Stewart Ledford said:
I've got it down now, I can change the starter in about 15-20 minutes, because I've done it so much. the headers are a pain though.
Got the starter out, and there were no bolts holding it in. The bolts must have worked themselves loose, There is an oil leak that drips directly ontop of it. The flywheel is dinged up, but not too bad, the starter bolt hole is gone.
Does anyone know the sizes of the bolts for the starter?
Does anyone know the sizes of the bolts for the starter?
Stewart Ledford
Founding Member
IICrazyIICrazy said:
The bolts I use are 3/8" 16 thread 1 inch in length. Fix your oil leak.
Stewart
Problem solved, guys at the counter took the exchange and off I went. back in the car and drove it around. 
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