anyone lookin for subs out there should definitly look into the Infinity Reference. I just bought one at x-mas for $110 (12")and it's amazing. it takes about 2 hours to brake in and once it does it pounds if u have enough power goin to it- i have an 800 watt peak power kenwood powering it.. just thought id throw it up there incase anyone's lookin for good inexpensive subs...