• Mustang Forums
  • 1996 - 2004 SN95 Mustang -General/Talk-
  • SN95 4.6L Mustang Tech

Reading VSS output

  • Thread starter Thread starter Rusty67
  • Start date Start date Apr 1, 2010

Rusty67

20+ Year Stangneter
Dec 3, 2002
3,749
37
109
LA, CA
Apr 1, 2010
#1
  • Apr 1, 2010
  • #1
Is there a way to read the VSS output and convert it from a pulse to a constant voltage ?

Alternatively, could I read the pulse that feeds the spedo gauge as a constant voltage instead of a pulse some how ?
 

nyuk98gt

15 Year Member
Oct 10, 2000
1,427
6
79
Chesterfield, MO
Apr 1, 2010
#2
  • Apr 1, 2010
  • #2
Rusty67:

I have a tough time with electrical stuff (missing gene or something tragic) but the VSS is alternating current so you should be able to measure AC volts (or current) on a multimeter. If it is fancy enough, it may even give RMS (root mean squared) - akin to 'average' - voltage.

I've never measured the VSS but I do know that it is an alternating current/voltage/frequency signal.

That's it, lol.

HTH,

Chris
 

5ubtle

Founding Member
Jul 8, 1999
195
0
17
Spartanburg, SC
Apr 1, 2010
#3
  • Apr 1, 2010
  • #3
Not easy.

Rusty67 said:
Is there a way to read the VSS output and convert it from a pulse to a constant voltage ?
Click to expand...

Yes. Unfortunately building the converter is a job for an electrical engineer. I don't know of any converters which are marketed as "VSS to voltage". If you want to learn to make one yourself, Google "frequency to voltage converter".
 

wmburns

SN Certified Technician
Aug 14, 2009
5,892
514
204
Houston Texas
Apr 1, 2010
#4
  • Apr 1, 2010
  • #4
It might help if we knew what you are trying to accomplish.

I could be wrong, but I do not think that the VSS sensor's output is voltage based. I think it is frequency based.

In any case, if you have a high end multi-meter, try the "Hz" setting. If the sensor is frequency based, the Hz will vary with the shaft speed.
 

bhuff30

Founding Member
Dec 11, 2001
6,037
35
129
Olathe KS
Apr 1, 2010
#5
  • Apr 1, 2010
  • #5
If you just want to see the VSS reading, I would imagine most tuning software would allow you to monitor or datalog it. I have PCMscan which is just a basic scantool/trouble shooting device and it can datalog VSS, along with pretty much every other drivetrain sensor
 

Rusty67

20+ Year Stangneter
Dec 3, 2002
3,749
37
109
LA, CA
Apr 1, 2010
#6
  • Apr 1, 2010
  • #6
I'm going to be puting a T56 into my car and it has that reverse lockout solinoid on it. I wanted to build a box that I could wire in that would disable the reverse lockout when the car is under 5 MPH just like the stock Cobra ECU does.
 

Rusty67

20+ Year Stangneter
Dec 3, 2002
3,749
37
109
LA, CA
Jan 8, 2012
#7
  • Jan 8, 2012
  • #7
For now I have used a spare fog light switch with a relay but this is a bad solution because I tend to forget to turn it off. I still want to build the box. I have a fairly good idea what I need but I just need a tiny bit of help from someone who is either a good EE or has the experience to clue me in on the piece of the puzzle I'm missing.
 

wmburns

SN Certified Technician
Aug 14, 2009
5,892
514
204
Houston Texas
Jan 8, 2012
#8
  • Jan 8, 2012
  • #8
Sooooo. Have you tried measuring the VSS output with a DVM? Pay attention to the frequency (not the volts).

There is a write up in the Ford Service manual regarding the priciples of operation and how to trouble shoot the VSS sensor. Seems like a great place to start for information. PM if interested.
 

Rusty67

20+ Year Stangneter
Dec 3, 2002
3,749
37
109
LA, CA
Jan 8, 2012
#9
  • Jan 8, 2012
  • #9
I just recently (as in about 2 days ago) aquired a Fluke 88 multimeter. I don't think me previous multimeter would have done the job. Is that procedure in AllData or just the actual Ford manual ?
 

nyuk98gt

15 Year Member
Oct 10, 2000
1,427
6
79
Chesterfield, MO
Jan 8, 2012
#10
  • Jan 8, 2012
  • #10
Rusty67:

Check out accutach.com (Mark Olson's site). He know just about everything there is to know about VSS and OSS signals and may be able to assist with what you are doing. (Actually, he has exactly what you're looking for!)

Chris
 

Rusty67

20+ Year Stangneter
Dec 3, 2002
3,749
37
109
LA, CA
Jan 8, 2012
#11
  • Jan 8, 2012
  • #11
nyuk98gt, I've been to his site. He actually sells a product that disables the lockout for a short time period using a momentary push button switch and a timer ciruit. I didn't really think asking him for help would get me any where since I am making something he would provably see as a competing product.

On a side note.... His accurate gauge conversion is really something I would love to have, I have never liked how the stock gauges don't really tell you anything unless there is something seriously wrong. If he releases that for the 99-04 I'll be jumping on that quickly.
 

trinity_gt

10 Year Member
Jan 31, 2003
3,125
81
99
Canada
Jan 8, 2012
#12
  • Jan 8, 2012
  • #12
For a variable-reluctance speed sensor I'd probably suggest considering something in the MAX9924 series of integrated circuits to parallel-tap the VSS wires to obtain a clean, logic-level frequency output. You then have a couple of options:

First you could use a purely analog approach using, say, a frequency-to-voltage converter and a comparator to trip a relay when the frequency (and thus vehicle speed) moves above a certain threshold.

Second, you could consider a small microcontroller to measure frequency directly and control the relay. As a digital designer I tend to favor the microcontroller approach because it allows you to easily do things like hysteresis (e.g. enable the reverse lock out at 6 MPH but don't re-enable is until, say, 3MPH is shown...) and is generally less finicky than purely analog approaches.

Needless to say, unless there's already a box out there (hint) you're going to be looking into a bit of engineering...
 

Rusty67

20+ Year Stangneter
Dec 3, 2002
3,749
37
109
LA, CA
Jan 8, 2012
#13
  • Jan 8, 2012
  • #13
trinity, I already know about the box from samco but I wanted to build something and then put it out on the internet so that anyone comfortable enough with a soldering iron and relays could built it on their own.

I haven't looked at the max9924. I think I was looking at an LM2907. I was going to try doing exactly what your first sugestions is where I provied a reference voltage to a comparator which would operate a relay. I'm not an EE but I do have a friend who is one. He hasn't been much help... he claims we need an oscope to do this but I'm wondering if that is the case or not. My lack of EE skills makes it hard to tell if he is clueless or if what I'm trying to do is a bit harder then I think it is.

Thank you for your sugestions, I will look at the max9924.
 

trinity_gt

10 Year Member
Jan 31, 2003
3,125
81
99
Canada
Jan 8, 2012
#14
  • Jan 8, 2012
  • #14
The MAX9924 (or something like it) will provide a convenient high-impedance front end to your circuit that won't interfere with the operation of the PCM in reading the VSS. Because a VSS is a magnetic device its output will (a) be AC, (b) increase in amplitude with increasing speed and (c) increase in frequency with speed. It'd be nice to have a single piece of silicon do that side of the interface, giving you a nice logic level pulse train to work with.

Interesting reading for a 94-98 VSS:

http://accutach.com/Documents/VSSCharacterization.pdf

Depending on the style of sensor you're interfacing to (gear-driven like earlier units or magnetic pickup as later units were) you might want to do a bit of probing to calibrate your system.
 

nyuk98gt

15 Year Member
Oct 10, 2000
1,427
6
79
Chesterfield, MO
Jan 8, 2012
#15
  • Jan 8, 2012
  • #15
Rusty67:

Yes, if you're making a competing product, then Mr. Olson may not be keen on chatting with you about his stuff. I thought you were just doing this for your vehicle and, in that case, I am sure Mr. O would assist.

GL with your "black box"!

Chris
 

Rusty67

20+ Year Stangneter
Dec 3, 2002
3,749
37
109
LA, CA
Jan 8, 2012
#16
  • Jan 8, 2012
  • #16
trinity, if only I have a 94-98 Mustang, the last line of that PDF would be the answer I was looking for. The OSS on the 99+ outputs at a different rate. I'm sure if it would convert or not. Sadly, I need to shelf this project for the next 3 weeks. Thanks for the new info guys. I will report back later if I make any head way.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Resolved Holley terminator integration into CCRM
  • BrandonMP
  • Feb 25, 2026
  • SN95 4.6L Mustang Tech
Replies
1
Views
203
SN95 4.6L Mustang Tech Feb 27, 2026
BrandonMP
Electrical Ron Francis Headlight / Alternator Harness
  • dan50
  • Apr 30, 2026
  • Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech
Replies
0
Views
179
Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech Apr 30, 2026
dan50
Removing speedo cable from the VSS
  • 91AOD5.0LX
  • Mar 25, 2026
  • 1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk-
  • 2
Replies
27
Views
718
1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk- Apr 25, 2026
91AOD5.0LX
P
Electrical 2001 GT Overcharging
  • PseudoGT
  • Dec 3, 2025
  • SN95 4.6L Mustang Tech
Replies
1
Views
199
SN95 4.6L Mustang Tech Dec 13, 2025
Noobz347
Electrical 88 EEC Injectors batch firing ?
  • Dustin 86GT
  • Dec 8, 2025
  • Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech
Replies
10
Views
382
Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech Jan 8, 2026
gkomo
Share:
Bluesky Email Share Link
  • Mustang Forums
  • 1996 - 2004 SN95 Mustang -General/Talk-
  • SN95 4.6L Mustang Tech
Menu
Log in

Register

  • Forums
  • What's new
  • Media
  • Resources
  • Contact
  • Sponsor
X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?

X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?