Fox Recommend me a clutch

91GTstroked · Apr 19, 2020

Hey guys,

I currently have a ford racing king cobra clutch. I'm not sure how long it's been in the car. I'd like something with a lighter clutch pedal. The car has a maximum motorsports quadrant, adjuster, and cable.

The tob is making noises once in awhile, but I haven't looked yet to see if the tob is adjusted right.

Mod:

My car is your basic HCI and stock t5 with a IRS and 3:55 gears.

Parts:
I plan on adding new,

Clutch
Flywheel
MM/Ford non adjustable cable
TOB/Pilot bearing
Retainer sleeve
Rear main seal
Pivot ball stud, and any other hardware that might need replacing, such as clutch fork.

I've been looking at Ram HDX kit, but not sure I'd use everything in the kit, like tob, pilot bearing, ect.

Opinions?

08GT500 · Apr 20, 2020

91GTstroked said:
Hey guys,

I currently have a ford racing king cobra clutch. I'm not sure how long it's been in the car. I'd like something with a lighter clutch pedal. The car has a maximum motorsports quadrant, adjuster, and cable.

The tob is making noises once in awhile, but I haven't looked yet to see if the tob is adjusted right.

Mod:

My car is your basic HCI and stock t5 with a IRS and 3:55 gears.

Parts:
I plan on adding new,

Clutch
Flywheel
MM/Ford non adjustable cable
TOB/Pilot bearing
Retainer sleeve
Rear main seal
Pivot ball stud, and any other hardware that might need replacing, such as clutch fork.

I've been looking at Ram HDX kit, but not sure I'd use everything in the kit, like tob, pilot bearing, ect.

Opinions?

Hi,
Ram makes a solid clutch, but likely more pedal effort than you’re seeking, are you planning any further engine mod’s? If you want a no hassle install, buy new flywheel to crank & clutch bolts & flywheel with the clutch/pressure plate, in addition to your other parts which you’ll find where the links take you.
The lightest that would handle things as they are slightly above stock with good street manners would be a Ford Racing organic..

Ford Performance Mustang Organic Clutch Kit; 10 Spline M-7560-A302N (86-Mid 01 V8 Mustang, Excluding 99-01 Cobra) - Free Shipping

FREE SHIPPING! High Capacity Clutch Kit. The Ford Performance Organic Clutch Kit; 10-Spline is designed to provide superior clutch performance by increasing tor

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IMO, McLeod’s are top of the line clutches, a street level organic clutch & their lightened Steel flywheel will work the best with the info. you’d listed. They’re smooth & require less pedal effort, break it in right & you’ll be happy with it...

McLeod Mustang Street Pro Organic Clutch Kit; 10 Spline 75105 (86-Mid 01 Mustang GT; 93-98 Mustang Cobra) - Free Shipping

FREE SHIPPING! Ideal Upgrade Replacement. If you drive your Mustang hard, it's easy to burn out the weak factory clutch. Capable of holding up to 350hp McLeod's

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The Ram Clutch listed will require a tad more pedal effort, but also run’s very well on the street.

https://www.americanmuscle.com/ram-hdx-t5-t45-clutch.html

I suggest running a Ford OE Pilot & Throwout bearing, OE rear main seal. If you need a fork, Ball pivot, I’d also stick with Ford OE’s, most of which you’ll find below the retainer sleeve you’re seeking, here....
https://www.americanmuscle.com/ford-t5-retainer-8393.html
You’ll have much less chance of an early failure and/or a chattery clutch post install if you run a new flywheel, once areas on the flywheel becomes blue, it’s work hardened.
A shop’s rotary fly-cutting doesn’t always remove the entire work hardened area(s), only leveled & cleaned up. A carbide or diamond mill will cut hard or soft steel like butter. Can only cut so deep, or out of spec’s & may become dangerous.
The flywheel’s expansion/contraction at different rates may cause problems.
To avoid that, it’s well worth the cost.
Good luck!
-John

Potomus Pete · Apr 20, 2020

I have a McLeod Street Level and its very good for abuse. Seems to burn good without any smell. Ive had it for two years and I ride it sometimes . A bad habit but I have a bad knee. Cost was just a couple hundred . I got cheap and bought a hundred dollar flywheel that I regret . Going to put my old Ford one back on.

96pushrod · Apr 20, 2020

Ram power grip is a badass clutch, and with a good clutch cable does not require much (if any) more pedal than a stock pressure plate

Mstng93SSP · Apr 20, 2020

This may sound crazy, but I run the stock O'reilly auto parts replacement clutch kit. I have had zero issues with it and the price is more than reasonable. Pedal is as light as stock...maybe lighter. My car is a street car, H/C/I and I don't really pound the car so that might be a factor as well.

Chris

08GT500 · Apr 20, 2020

Potomus Pete said:
I have a McLeod Street Level and its very good for abuse. Seems to burn good without any smell. Ive had it for two years and I ride it sometimes . A bad habit but I have a bad knee. Cost was just a couple hundred . I got cheap and bought a hundred dollar flywheel that I regret . Going to put my old Ford one back on.

Hi Pete,
Hope you’re doing well, hope the same remains true for your family & friends..everyone else as well!
Car’s are funny, all seem to have their own personalities & if you skimp on any part, they take it personally...
The below was the result of a 1st time builder who had his own not-too-bright answer of saving 20$ over (6) ARP bolts. Local HW store had Grade 3 tin plated pressure plate to flywheel bolts & the result. Wrecked part of it, didnt get past the Bell (sheer luck) no pun intended...
Luckily he still wears 2 shoes!

x2 on the Ram Powergrip clutch, worked well.

revhead347 · Apr 20, 2020

There are very few clutches that have less pedal effort than a King Cobra. It's one of the best balanced street clutches out there. I don't think you are going to be better off with a McLead, Ram, or Spec. I can tell you that old clutches, and old clutch cables get hard. If that clutch is holding the power fine, and meets your needs, then you would be worse off going to a different brand. Try putting a new cable in first. If that doesn't make it easier, then put a new King Cobra clutch in. That's coming from someone that used to be a SPEC dealer.

Kurt

revhead347 · Apr 20, 2020

A few other suggestions. Skip the MM non adjustable cable. I've bought one, and it was the wrong length. I have tried just about every cable there is, and the best one I have found is the BBK. It's like $20 more than the competition, but it's adjustable, and has the shortest bracket to provide the most header clearance. Never run the throwout bearing that comes with a clutch. They are almost guaranteed to be Chinese. Go to the parts store, and get a quality one. Look for a Bower/BCA, National, SKS, or NTN. Something that is made in Mexico, Japan, or Sweden. It's going to run you about $29-$35, but it's worth it. Almost no one keeps quality parts in stock, you can expect to have to wait 2 days for them to get one for you. The pivot ball stud isn't much of a wear item. If the one that is in there looks smooth, grease it up and send it. I frequently have to change pivot ball studs in our BMW cars, I never have to change them in Mustangs. The clutch fork won't need replacing. Advance Auto rents a pilot bearing removal tool for free. Get a quality brand name pilot bearing as well.

Kurt

nickyb · Apr 20, 2020

Replaced my flywheel,clutch,tob,and pilot bearing 12 years ago(107,000miles ago) I used a perfection flywheel,and there clutch kit (by the way is a zoom clutch) Never Ever Any problems.light pedal feel and dumping the clutch is a pleasure.That's my recommendation. it's available on rock auto and way less then Summitt or elsewhere.

90sickfox · Apr 21, 2020

Do a hydraulic clutch retrofit and use as hard a clutch as you'd like.

Rdub6 · Apr 21, 2020

Nothing crazy here for my stock ride. Went with all brand new Luk flywheel, Valeo clutch, pressure plate, TOB, pilot bearing, and all new hardware. Flywheel came from NAPA and everything else Rock Auto.
I believe Valeo makes clutches for many other “name brand”.
Pedal feel is easy and smooth!

Willybill32 · Apr 21, 2020

91GTstroked said:
Hey guys,

I currently have a ford racing king cobra clutch. I'm not sure how long it's been in the car. I'd like something with a lighter clutch pedal. The car has a maximum motorsports quadrant, adjuster, and cable.

The tob is making noises once in awhile, but I haven't looked yet to see if the tob is adjusted right.

Mod:

My car is your basic HCI and stock t5 with a IRS and 3:55 gears.

Parts:
I plan on adding new,

Clutch
Flywheel
MM/Ford non adjustable cable
TOB/Pilot bearing
Retainer sleeve
Rear main seal
Pivot ball stud, and any other hardware that might need replacing, such as clutch fork.

I've been looking at Ram HDX kit, but not sure I'd use everything in the kit, like tob, pilot bearing, ect.

Opinions?

FWIW, when new, I had problems with the stock clutch in my '86 GT. I wound up replacing the stocker with a CenterForce clutch, which I loved. It was still working fine at 98K when the engine was pulled, and I decided to go ahead and buy a new one as part of the rebuild/upgrade. It works fine.

91GTstroked · Apr 21, 2020

Willybill32 said:
FWIW, when new, I had problems with the stock clutch in my '86 GT. I wound up replacing the stocker with a CenterForce clutch, which I loved. It was still working fine at 98K when the engine was pulled, and I decided to go ahead and buy a new one as part of the rebuild/upgrade. It works fine.

Which centerforce kit?

Willybill32 · Apr 21, 2020

91GTstroked said:
Which centerforce kit?

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/ctf-kcft214814

revhead347 · Apr 21, 2020

90sickfox said:
Do a hydraulic clutch retrofit and use as hard a clutch as you'd like.

I just saw someone on this forum that reviewed one of those kits a few months or a year after he bought it, and said it wasn't worth the money, and didn't help much. You can get a twin disk, but damn, they are $700.

Kurt

Willybill32 · Apr 21, 2020

revhead347 said:
I just saw someone on this forum that reviewed one of those kits a few months or a year after he bought it, and said it wasn't worth the money, and didn't help much. You can get a twin disk, but damn, they are $700.

Kurt

How you drive has a big impact on how the clutch holds up. Mine had 98,000 miles and still worked good before I replaced it as part of an engine rebuild. Searching for Centerforce on the forum seems to be generally positive comments. I don't drive mine hard. Your mileage may vary.

revhead347 · Apr 21, 2020

Willybill32 said:
How you drive has a big impact on how the clutch holds up. Mine had 98,000 miles and still worked good before I replaced it as part of an engine rebuild. Searching for Centerforce on the forum seems to be generally positive comments. I don't drive mine hard. Your mileage may vary.

I'll have to find the link. The OP was older, and bought the kit to reduce pedal effort. He said it did little to reduce pedal effort, and did not recommend the kit. My Centerforce went out the side of the bell housing in a cloud of dust on the second pass. I loved my Centerforce in my MR2, but it did not hold up to V8 torque at all. I called them up, and they were complete assholes. Blamed it on the way I drove the car, and refused to even consider rebuilding the clutch. They told me they had 9 second cars running the same clutch. I put a SPEC in the car, and never looked back. I am on my 3rd SPEC clutch now. So far they have been very reasonable people to deal with. Customer service makes all the difference.

Kurt

91GTstroked · Apr 22, 2020

So many choices, makes it hard to decide.

revhead347 · Apr 22, 2020

Here it is.

Hydraulic Clutch Assist kit

Hi I am using a spec 3+ clutch and I am getting old.. Would like opinions on using a Hydraulic assist on my clutch. Have over 600rwhp an the 3+ does the job, but as I get older it seems to gets harder. lol Not much feel either seems like it on or off. So I am looking at a 401289 - McLeod...

www.stangnet.com

Kurt

08GT500 · Apr 22, 2020

That’s a very useful bit of info, Kurt. I have a Twin disc McLeod 1,200Ft/LB in my GT500 & the pedal effort is..well...a 5yr old could cycle it with the hydraulic TOB.
Retro hydraulic kit would be useful for many. We’re not getting any younger.

Fox Recommend me a clutch

91GTstroked

08GT500

Ford Performance Mustang Organic Clutch Kit; 10 Spline M-7560-A302N (86-Mid 01 V8 Mustang, Excluding 99-01 Cobra) - Free Shipping

McLeod Mustang Street Pro Organic Clutch Kit; 10 Spline 75105 (86-Mid 01 Mustang GT; 93-98 Mustang Cobra) - Free Shipping

Potomus Pete

I'm still waiting for the fully nude shots

96pushrod

I think they're a little easier to get off

Mstng93SSP

You have a nice rear end there Dave.

08GT500

revhead347

Apparently my ex-husband made that mistake.

revhead347

Apparently my ex-husband made that mistake.

nickyb

I gotta say i never painted my nuts, Never Ever

90sickfox

Wasn't a pretty sight...and I've got big hands

Rdub6

So while I wait to figure out my rear end issues

Willybill32

But at least it's tight!

91GTstroked

Willybill32

But at least it's tight!

revhead347

Apparently my ex-husband made that mistake.

Willybill32

But at least it's tight!

revhead347

Apparently my ex-husband made that mistake.

91GTstroked

revhead347

Apparently my ex-husband made that mistake.

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08GT500

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