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Royal Purple...really worth it?

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rs-turbo

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If your engine has been taken care of, there should be no reason why you can't switch to synthetic. If you have no idea what has been happening in your engine, or are changing the oil for the first time in 90,000 miles, then I'd be a bit hesitant. You will most likely experience some blow by as the synthetic cleans the rings and frees them up again, provided the synthetic has the additives to do this. I converted an 89 E-150 van with the 5.0 I once bought with 95K on it, and went through three quarts before the rings were clean and the the consumption stopped.

Synthetics won't cause a seal to leak, but they could expose a bad seal and then it might start leaking. Since most synthetics do clean the engine to some degree, if you have deposits on a bad seal that prevent it from leaking, when they are cleaned away, you might experience one. In some cases the additives used to create seal swell and keep them pliable might refurbish a dry seal and the leak might even stop. If it doesn't, that seal needed replacing anyway. In the early days of synthetic, Mobil 1 got a bad rap for this because they didn't have any of these additives. It did a good job cleaning away the deposits, then ran out of the seals.

No problems switching back and forth, just why step back once you step up to synthetic?

Those oil companies that offer a warranty for running extended drains usually still do recommend the filter changes. Amsoil last fall released new filters designed to go the full one year or 25K mile drains they recommend with most of their oils. These are their Ea Oil Filters. They filter 98.7 percent of ALL partcles 15 microns or larger. I have been using their previous filters, their Super Duty Filter (SDF), for years at the then recommended intervals of 6 months or 12,500 miles, and never had any wear issues. I just switched over last month to the new Ea Filters when I changed the oil in all my cars. Where did you read on their site about the 5000 mile filter changes? Only time I've been aware of shorter oil filter changes with Amsoil is if you are using something other than their filter, which they design for longer use.

One thing to note on the Mobil 1 Extended Performance oils that offer 15,000 mile drains. Mobil does not warranty these drains on vehicles still under factory warranty.

On a side note, Amsoil has been converting their filter lines over to nano-fiber technology that Donaldson Filters developed to combat the fine dust that the M1 Tanks encountered in the mid-east during the first Gulf War. Some of you might be interested in their Ea Air Filters. This are dry filters rather than wet. They are reusable for 4 years or 100,000 miles and you just need to use a shop vac on them after 25K. They flow as well as after market wet gauze filters, but filter 50x the dust. Earlier this week they released a line to replace aftermarket filters called Ea Air Induction Filters. They are pushing to become a leader in the filtration market as well.
 

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rs-turbo said:
If your engine has been taken care of, there should be no reason why you can't switch to synthetic. If you have no idea what has been happening in your engine, or are changing the oil for the first time in 90,000 miles, then I'd be a bit hesitant. You will most likely experience some blow by as the synthetic cleans the rings and frees them up again, provided the synthetic has the additives to do this. I converted an 89 E-150 van with the 5.0 I once bought with 95K on it, and went through three quarts before the rings were clean and the the consumption stopped.

Synthetics won't cause a seal to leak, but they could expose a bad seal and then it might start leaking. Since most synthetics do clean the engine to some degree, if you have deposits on a bad seal that prevent it from leaking, when they are cleaned away, you might experience one. In some cases the additives used to create seal swell and keep them pliable might refurbish a dry seal and the leak might even stop. If it doesn't, that seal needed replacing anyway. In the early days of synthetic, Mobil 1 got a bad rap for this because they didn't have any of these additives. It did a good job cleaning away the deposits, then ran out of the seals.

No problems switching back and forth, just why step back once you step up to synthetic?

Those oil companies that offer a warranty for running extended drains usually still do recommend the filter changes. Amsoil last fall released new filters designed to go the full one year or 25K mile drains they recommend with most of their oils. These are their Ea Oil Filters. They filter 98.7 percent of ALL partcles 15 microns or larger. I have been using their previous filters, their Super Duty Filter (SDF), for years at the then recommended intervals of 6 months or 12,500 miles, and never had any wear issues. I just switched over last month to the new Ea Filters when I changed the oil in all my cars. Where did you read on their site about the 5000 mile filter changes? Only time I've been aware of shorter oil filter changes with Amsoil is if you are using something other than their filter, which they design for longer use.

One thing to note on the Mobil 1 Extended Performance oils that offer 15,000 mile drains. Mobil does not warranty these drains on vehicles still under factory warranty.

On a side note, Amsoil has been converting their filter lines over to nano-fiber technology that Donaldson Filters developed to combat the fine dust that the M1 Tanks encountered in the mid-east during the first Gulf War. Some of you might be interested in their Ea Air Filters. This are dry filters rather than wet. They are reusable for 4 years or 100,000 miles and you just need to use a shop vac on them after 25K. They flow as well as after market wet gauze filters, but filter 50x the dust. Earlier this week they released a line to replace aftermarket filters called Ea Air Induction Filters. They are pushing to become a leader in the filtration market as well.
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do you have a part # for the extended life oil filters you are referring to...and what amsoil synthetic do you recommend? I drive my car 0-5000 miles a year so a once a year oil change is perfect.
 
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DropTopPony said:
do you have a part # for the extended life oil filters you are referring to...and what amsoil synthetic do you recommend? I drive my car 0-5000 miles a year so a once a year oil change is perfect.
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The stock filter size for the 4.6 is an EaO11. I'd use their 5W-30 (ASL) or if you want to upgrade to their higher end line, their Series 2000 0W-30 (TSO). If you email me, I can give you prices.
 
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Not to change the subject, but who has had success with the royal purple atf? Did it help any with the gear grind problem?
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I use RP SyncroMax (in a 5 speed) not the ATF and it is fantastic stuff. Shifting is much smoother now and also there is a lot less gear whine coming from the tranny.
 

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rs-turbo said:
If your engine has been taken care of, there should be no reason why you can't switch to synthetic. If you have no idea what has been happening in your engine, or are changing the oil for the first time in 90,000 miles, then I'd be a bit hesitant. You will most likely experience some blow by as the synthetic cleans the rings and frees them up again, provided the synthetic has the additives to do this. I converted an 89 E-150 van with the 5.0 I once bought with 95K on it, and went through three quarts before the rings were clean and the the consumption stopped.

Synthetics won't cause a seal to leak, but they could expose a bad seal and then it might start leaking. Since most synthetics do clean the engine to some degree, if you have deposits on a bad seal that prevent it from leaking, when they are cleaned away, you might experience one. In some cases the additives used to create seal swell and keep them pliable might refurbish a dry seal and the leak might even stop. If it doesn't, that seal needed replacing anyway. In the early days of synthetic, Mobil 1 got a bad rap for this because they didn't have any of these additives. It did a good job cleaning away the deposits, then ran out of the seals.

No problems switching back and forth, just why step back once you step up to synthetic?

Those oil companies that offer a warranty for running extended drains usually still do recommend the filter changes. Amsoil last fall released new filters designed to go the full one year or 25K mile drains they recommend with most of their oils. These are their Ea Oil Filters. They filter 98.7 percent of ALL partcles 15 microns or larger. I have been using their previous filters, their Super Duty Filter (SDF), for years at the then recommended intervals of 6 months or 12,500 miles, and never had any wear issues. I just switched over last month to the new Ea Filters when I changed the oil in all my cars. Where did you read on their site about the 5000 mile filter changes? Only time I've been aware of shorter oil filter changes with Amsoil is if you are using something other than their filter, which they design for longer use.

One thing to note on the Mobil 1 Extended Performance oils that offer 15,000 mile drains. Mobil does not warranty these drains on vehicles still under factory warranty.

On a side note, Amsoil has been converting their filter lines over to nano-fiber technology that Donaldson Filters developed to combat the fine dust that the M1 Tanks encountered in the mid-east during the first Gulf War. Some of you might be interested in their Ea Air Filters. This are dry filters rather than wet. They are reusable for 4 years or 100,000 miles and you just need to use a shop vac on them after 25K. They flow as well as after market wet gauze filters, but filter 50x the dust. Earlier this week they released a line to replace aftermarket filters called Ea Air Induction Filters. They are pushing to become a leader in the filtration market as well.
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I think they recomended 5k for regular filters and 6 month for the special filters they sell.. the reason I said 5k is because 99.9 percent of people that try extended oil changes skip out on the expensive filter meant for it.

It's always best to follow what the manufactuer recomends you do.. personally if I was to swap to long intervals myself it would be with amsoil and the extended life filter.

I am very interested in those new air filters they have, these dry filters won't ruin mafs like the wet filters can. I would like to see some flow numbers for them compared to K+N
 
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I am very interested in those new air filters they have, these dry filters won't ruin mafs like the wet filters can. I would like to see some flow numbers for them compared to K+N
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This was one of the issues they wanted to address, we had TSBs for reoiling our previous 2-Stage Foam Filters, and always warned customers to not overoil. Fords were having all sorts of issues because people just assumed more oil was better.

I'm not sure if we will see a comparison, at least listed as K&N versus just "wet gauze." When the Amsoil reps from the filter department were here for the PRI show and held a local meeting to fill us in, they commented that what they were saying in the meeting would be the only reference to K&N, since in the future they were most likely going to be working with them with some new filter applications (offroad, I believe). They are trying not to step on any of the toes of companies they are now working with. I know they sent the Ea Filters off to Southwest Research Institute that does most of the Independent Lab testing on their products and they were even surprised with the performance numbers, even after 100K on the filter. According to the reps, they were also well received at the SEMA show when they first brought them public.
 
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