Safe Blower with stock internals?

El Chico · Apr 5, 2004

Is there such a thing as a safe blower when all your internals are stock? I guess what I'm trying to get at is whether I should save a little more for a blower or stay N/A and get heads, cams, LTs, and Prochamber. The blower with no doubt give better numbers, but I don't think it's worth having all that power if your car is back in the shop because of a blown gasket or/and pistons.

Screwed2V · Apr 5, 2004

No such thing as a "safe" blower. The key is to not get greedy and most importantly get a good tune.

White360RFnSwee · Apr 5, 2004

Good Tune, 6 psi..

or even 8 psi through a vortech is pretty damn safe

scheister · Apr 5, 2004

Like Micool said, the key is the tune and not going past 13psi/450rwhp approx. This is the point at which some/most people have taken their stock engine to. On the other hand, others have went alot sooner from poor tunes, too much boost/HP, etc.

Stay under 400rwhp, get a GOOD tune, and around 10 pounds of boost, and you should be fine
Chad

Dan_Soprano · Apr 5, 2004

just to beat a dead horse.....word for the day is TUNE!!!!!!!

kirkyg · Apr 5, 2004

With a supercharger and stock internals you are shortening the lifespan of the engine. If you keep your hp below 400 at or below 9 psi along with an intercooler to keep the heat down you should be ok for quite a while. Its a matter of when your engine is going not if it is. The same can be said for a stock engine its just when you supercharge your probably cutting the life of it down 20-30%. I consider that fairly safe considering these engines can handle 200k + consistantly.

I think the ideal plan is to make sure its possible to rebuild if you have to...if you absolutely are stretched with debt etc. i would not get a supercharger even if i had saved cash because you wont have any way to rebuild your engine if it blows.

kirkyg

El Chico · Apr 5, 2004

Stay under 400rwhp, get a GOOD tune, and around 10 pounds of boost, and you should be fine

With that in mind, so what then? Should it be N/A or blower (like Vortech SQ or Novi 1000)? I'll soon have about 3 grand saved up for the NA parts like cams, heads, LTs, and Prochamber. That would get me around 310 natural power to the wheels. Then again I could save up about another 1500 bones and get a blower that would get me about 350 forced power to the wheels.

decoy562 · Apr 5, 2004

Intercooled, safe tune will make you okay, just don't dog the car all the time.

Dan_Soprano · Apr 5, 2004

El Chico said:
Stay under 400rwhp, get a GOOD tune, and around 10 pounds of boost, and you should be fine

With that in mind, so what then? Should it be N/A or blower (like Vortech SQ or Novi 1000)? I'll soon have about 3 grand saved up for the NA parts like cams, heads, LTs, and Prochamber. That would get me around 310 natural power to the wheels. Then again I could save up about another 1500 bones and get a blower that would get me about 350 forced power to the wheels.

Blowers are just too damn cool though..........TOO MUCH FUN TO BE HAD!!!!!!! trust me.

kirkyg · Apr 5, 2004

El Chico said:
Stay under 400rwhp, get a GOOD tune, and around 10 pounds of boost, and you should be fine

With that in mind, so what then? Should it be N/A or blower (like Vortech SQ or Novi 1000)? I'll soon have about 3 grand saved up for the NA parts like cams, heads, LTs, and Prochamber. That would get me around 310 natural power to the wheels. Then again I could save up about another 1500 bones and get a blower that would get me about 350 forced power to the wheels.

I'm sorry dude but its going to be very difficult to get 310hp to the ground with those mods. I would suggest stroker if you just HAVE to go n/a. Its also going to cost more than 3000 if you plan to get anywhere near that power level. Your looking at 1500-2000 for headwork, 600 for cams, long tubes will run you about 600 coated, prochamber is 200, you'll probably want to increase your compression if your staying n/a so theres another 1500 for forged internals, etc.

kirkyg

White360RFnSwee · Apr 5, 2004

Just do full exhaust, pullies, etc.. basically every bolt on.. then do cams.. you'll have a car capable of 108 mph or so in the 1/4, which is almost as fast as Corvettes ( 110 mph )

-Ryan

2002BLGT · Apr 5, 2004

El Chico said:
Stay under 400rwhp, get a GOOD tune, and around 10 pounds of boost, and you should be fine

With that in mind, so what then? Should it be N/A or blower (like Vortech SQ or Novi 1000)? I'll soon have about 3 grand saved up for the NA parts like cams, heads, LTs, and Prochamber. That would get me around 310 natural power to the wheels. Then again I could save up about another 1500 bones and get a blower that would get me about 350 forced power to the wheels.

Look at my Sig , 370rwhp 372rwtq, safe as all get up . couldnt be happier .

El Chico · Apr 5, 2004

I'm sorry dude but its going to be very difficult to get 310hp to the ground with those mods. I would suggest stroker if you just HAVE to go n/a. Its also going to cost more than 3000 if you plan to get anywhere near that power level. Your looking at 1500-2000 for headwork, 600 for cams, long tubes will run you about 600 coated, prochamber is 200, you'll probably want to increase your compression if your staying n/a so theres another 1500 for forged internals, etc.

I know someone with the mods I listed to include C&L plenum with Accufab 75mm Throttle body and he dynoed at 315 to the wheels. I've already done the math and it'll be:

VT Stage 2 Heads and Cams - 2400
Bolts/gaskets/etc - 300
MAC LT - 350
Prochamber - 230

APPROX TOTAL = 3280

I'm getting 300 for selling my X-pipe to a friend. I think what kirkyg says is pretty logical though. I think with that natural power I could then work on the suspension to get the full effect of the power. Plus, adding a blower later down the line with everything to support it would put out a crazy amount of numbers.

Of course with a blower it's as simple as changing out the pully for more power but with that come the chances of everything *****ing itself.

I guess I'm just paranoid because I don't have the money to fix what breaks anytime soon or if at all depending on what it is that's broke. Can anyone help by giving me that warm and fuzzy feeling about what route to go?

kirkyg · Apr 5, 2004

I think you missed the point of my post. I would suggest going with a mild supercharger. You can rebuild your engine later. Just be very conservative with it.

kirkyg

2002BLGT · Apr 5, 2004

cobrakiller kit is less than 4g , and you should be about 360 to 370 rwhp no problem

www.modularfordpowerhouse.com

Firemanz · Apr 5, 2004

<---Very conservative tune with 11.5 A/F and 8psi of boost. Car gets babied constantly......

kirkyg · Apr 5, 2004

with all due respect why would you be worried about babying your car if you were supercharging it. Now i dont drive like a maniac but i garantee if/when i get a supercharger im going to hit some pounds during daily driving for fun

kirkyg

04Cobra · Apr 5, 2004

VT Stage 2 Heads and Cams - 2400
Bolts/gaskets/etc - 300
MAC LT - 350
Prochamber - 230

APPROX TOTAL = 328
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with these mods, what will be the time @ 1/4?

El Chico · Apr 5, 2004

So what is the general consensus....NA or blower?

I have 75,000 miles on it and it's my only means of transportation for another year.

kirkyg · Apr 5, 2004

i still say supercharger...but dont do it if you think you would have no way to rebuild the engine if it does blow.

kirkyg

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