SC v. Turbo

[NIN]

I was looking at the hp turbo web site and they are charging 4500 for their base kit and a very good SC kit goes 3500-3700. Is it worth spending the extra money on a turbo for a daily driver. plus the extra time intalling new headers.

The reason I was looking into a turbo is because it ruduces the stress on my stock block. But 6psi out of intercooled procharger won't hurt. Would it?

 

[millhouse]

The HP base kit is more complete, plain and simple. Chances are with the hp kit, you get things such as intercooler, fuel injectors, fuel pump etc. that will ulitmatley enable you to get a safer tune, and more h/p to boot. Most supercharger kits I believe come with only a fmu for the extra fuel delivery, and most dont include an inter/after cooler.

Ultimatley it's up to you and your funds. You will probably be able to push more rwhp with the turbo on pump fuel.

If it were me, i'd just make your own turbo kit for less than $1500 and call it good

 

[98V6]

If it were me, i'd just make your own turbo kit for less than $1500 and call it good

How would you go about doing that ?

 

[95_cobra123]

Turbo Turbo Turbo Turbo Turbo

 

[millhouse]

How would you go about doing that ?

Very cheaply

Really though, check out turbomustangs.com to learn about diy (do it yourself) junkyard turbo's. All the information you need to know is in there.

Also check out some of the featured cars and what they have run with jy setups. There are some very impressive numbers from which people have expended very little funds (relativley speaking).

 

[highhorseb]

You can now get a Polished Vortech S-Trim kit (pt# 4FG218-028SQ) for under $2500 and Vortech is offering a $100 rebate. It will give you between 6-8PSI which will be no problem for your stock block and includes everything you will need to be operational(minus a tune). DIY turbo kits are cheap HP, but 90% of the ones I've seen look like hack jobs.

 

[Rootus]

Kenne Bell

 

[nmcgrawj]

Kenne Bell

Being around a couple 03 cobras that did the Kennebell swap, and even ones with just a smaller pulley....i LOVE that whine from the superchargers when they come screamin past....turbos might be able to do more rwhp in some applications, but i dont wanna spend that much money to drive around and it sound like my car is sneezing every time i shift

I want a kenne bell in the future....I WISH whipple would go back in time for a second and design a charger for our cars......

 

[Scott_95GT]

The vortech s-trim kit is the way I would go. Reliable, performs very well, and much cheaper than the turbo route. Turbos kick a*s without a doubt, but I would get the vortech, and put 2,000$$ in the bank. The vortech added to your setup will dominate nearly anything you could possible come in contact with.

 

[ponypowa2]

eh

Im not the most knowledgeable person on the subject, but dont mustangs produce good low end torque, what would be the point of putting a turbo on a car that is not designed for higher rpms or even a top speed? Wouldn't the supercharger make more sense?

 

[yellow1995Cobra]

Im not the most knowledgeable person on the subject, but dont mustangs produce good low end torque, what would be the point of putting a turbo on a car that is not designed for higher rpms or even a top speed? Wouldn't the supercharger make more sense?

Just do a search on the subject, its been gone over time and time again. Turbos are far superior in every regard except ease of install and price in some situations.

 

[mystang94gt]

Kenne Bell

Full boost at 2000rpm's......

 

[OinkAodeOink]

Speaking from experience..ive ran

-Vortech supercharger bone stock motor
-Vortech w/ heads, cam, intake
-Turbo w/ heads cam intake
-342ci turbo...


Blower was easy to install, looking back on it, made good power ( 320rwhp)
and cost me around $2100 all together
(fuel pump, injectors, maf, blower stuff was used)

Turbo setup was custom built by me
Cost for that was around $1100
(minus the injectors, maf ,& fuel pump i already had) Turbo setup was making around 475 horse before i built another motor.

Bottom line... Turbos make more all around power, are more complicated to install, but you get MUCH more value for your money IMO, and full exhuast!
Turbos feel like a hit of nitrous! scare the hell outa people, and if sized correctly will make full boost close to that of a kenny bell, without running out of steam in the upper rpm's

 

[NIN]

I have a couple of issues.

1. The reason I wanted a turbo because it would put less stress at the same power level compared to a SC.

2. I already have a full exhaust and would change only if i have to.

3. I want to be able to apply more boost when my engine is built down the road.

4. cost, A diy turbo would fit the bill if I don't have to do any welding. Is this possible?

5. time, it installs in 12-14 hours compared to a 6 hour SC install.

It's hard to decide but I hope you guys can help me find the best solution to my power problems. LOL

 

[Rootus]

Full boost at 2000rpm's......

Indeed . I don't have a KB, but I have an Eaton, which gives a similar effect. I quite like the instant power-on-demand of a positive displacement blower. It's a myth that they run out of steam on the top end, that's only if they're too small. The same would happen if you used to small of a turbo. KB makes a 2.2L blower for the 5.0L that won't run out of steam until after the motor blows up.

Dave

 

[NIN]

I would also like a kenne bell but it doesn't work with my intake. I would have to go back to stock.

 

[Rootus]

I would also like a kenne bell but it doesn't work with my intake. I would have to go back to stock.

Nah, get a Cobra/Explorer lower and get the appropriate KB for that. You would be able to sell your TFS intake to more than cover the cost.

 

[BlackVert]

the latest muscle mustangs mag has an article on the differences.

if i ever get boosted, i'm going turbo.

 

[Killercanary]

Im not the most knowledgeable person on the subject, but dont mustangs produce good low end torque, what would be the point of putting a turbo on a car that is not designed for higher rpms or even a top speed? Wouldn't the supercharger make more sense?

With that kind of thought, the turbo is the MUCH better choise. A vortech and all centrifical blowers make boost relative to rpms since they are belt driven. ie, the more rpms the motor is running, the faster the blower is running, and therefore making more boost. An S trim set up for 8lbs of boost at say 6000rpms will only make like 2psi at 3000rpms (this is just an example, a lot of variables come into play with boost as boost is a measurement of backpressure, not air flow). A turbo on the other hand makes boost via spent exhaust gases, so it "can" make full boost at say 2500rpms and carry that boost throughout the entire rpm range. So take a stock mustang for example, they are usually out of steam by 5200rpms. Adding a centrifical blower to that car will not yeild a lot of power throughout much of the rpm range since it is such a small one, it will make a lot better power from ~4500-up as more boost is made, but this same car will make a ton more power in the area below say 4500 because it will be able to make max boost at those relatively low rpms, yet it will keep making that boost up where the cent. blower is at its max. Basically you'll have more area under the curve and the turbo car will be faster. Hope that makes sense...

 

[NIN]

does that vortech come with injectors, mass air, or a decent fuel pump. I don't know if I want to be running off of my stock equipment just with the aid of a t-rex. This is a street car and the torque of a turbo excites me.