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BigHairyMonkey

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My cars running rich as ****, smells like gas (pungent) less then stellar gas mileage. I think the 02's might of called in sick because i dont remember when the last time they were replaced. I have an O/R BBK H, which set of 02's should i replace upstream or downstream? Which ones would cause the car to run rich?
 

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you have more than two?
 

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dont we have upstream and downstream 02s? or am i an idiot.. lol never actually looked...
 

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my car has two, one on each side. I bought bosch and they seem to work good. No sweat.
 

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Downstream o2's are on OBDII cars 1996+ after the converters. Don't let the guy at autozone or pepboys try to sell you 4 o2's.
 

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In case the O/R pipe is kinda new, that alone can cause some stench.

You can check your O2's switching frequency and amplitude with your meter if you desire.

As Jason and Aryan15 said, if you can find a place to put more than two O2's, let us know.

Good luck.
 

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Make sure you don't have an exhaust leak ahead of the O2 sensor(s). This will cause the sensors to show a lean exhaust and the natural reaction of the system is to add fuel.
 

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Ill check it out guys, thanks.. i think im all confused from having so many OBDII cars
 

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Dump the codes and see what the computer says is wrong…Codes may be present in the computer even if the Check Engine light isn’t on.

Here's the link to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great.



See http://www.troublecodes.net/Ford/
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See http://www.mustangworks.com/articles/electronics/eec-iv_codes.html

IF your car is an 86-88 stang, you'll have to use the test lamp or voltmeter method. There is no functional check engine light on the 86-88's except possibly the Cali Mass Air cars.

Codes have different answers if the engine is running from the answers that it has when the engine isn't running. It helps a lot to know if you had the engine running when you ran the test.

Trouble codes are either 2 digit or 3 digit, there are no cars that use both 2 digit codes and 3 digit codes.

For those who are intimidated by all the wires & connections, see http://www.actron.com/product_detail.php?pid=16153 for what a typical hand scanner looks like. Normal retail price is about $30 or so at AutoZone or Wal-Mart.

Or for a nicer scanner see http://www.midwayautosupply.com/pc-7208-90-equus-digital-ford-code-reader-3145.aspx – It has a 3 digit LCD display so that you don’t have to count flashes or beeps.. Cost is $30.

Look for codes 41 and/or 91

Code 41 or 91 - O2 indicates system lean. Look for a vacuum leak or failing O2 sensor.

The computer sees a lean mixture signal coming from the O2 sensors and tries to compensate by adding more fuel. Many times the end result is an engine that runs pig rich and stinks of unburned fuel.

The following is a Quote from Charles O. Probst, Ford fuel Injection & Electronic Engine control:
"When the mixture is lean, the exhaust gas has oxygen, about the same amount as the ambient air. So the sensor will generate less than 400 Millivolts. Remember lean = less voltage.

When the mixture is rich, there's less oxygen in the exhaust than in the ambient air , so voltage is generated between the two sides of the tip. The voltage is greater than 600 millivolts. Remember rich = more voltage.

Here's a tip: the newer the sensor, the more the voltage changes, swinging from as low as 0.1 volt to as much as 0.9 volt. As an oxygen sensor ages, the voltage changes get smaller and slower - the voltage change lags behind the change in exhaust gas oxygen.

Because the oxygen sensor generates its own voltage, never apply voltage and never measure resistance of the sensor circuit. To measure voltage signals, use an analog voltmeter with a high input impedance, at least 10 megohms. Remember, a digital voltmeter will average a changing voltage." End Quote

Testing the O2 sensors
Measuring the O2 sensor voltage at the computer will give you a good idea of how well they are working. You'll have to pull the passenger side kick panel off to gain access to the computer connector. Remove the plastic wiring cover to get to the back side of the wiring. Use a safety pin or paper clip to probe the connections from the rear. The computer pins are 29 (LH O2 with a dark green/pink wire) and 43 (RH O2 with a dark blue/pink wire). Use the ground next to the computer to ground the voltmeter.

Testing the O2 sensor wiring harness
Most of the common multimeters have a resistance scale. Be sure the O2 sensors are disconnected and measure the resistance from the O2 sensor body harness to the pins on the computer.

Note that all resistance tests must be done with power off. Measuring resistance with a circuit powered on will give false readings and possibly damage the meter. Do not attempt to measure the resistance of the O2 sensors, it may damage them.

The O2 sensor ground (orange wire with a ring terminal on it) is in the wiring harness for the fuel injection wiring. I grounded mine to one of the intake manifold bolts

Replace the O2 sensors in pairs if replacement is indicated. If one is weak or bad, the other one probably isn't far behind.
 

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Moved to Tech
 

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j, last time i tried to dump codes, i used an obd1 scanner and it told me to turn my car on run to operating temp and then press scan. i did so, the car stumbled real quick as the scanner tried to draw codes (i guess) and then it says no response from computer. Tried it twice same thing, no response. So i gave up on pulling codes. should i try it again?
 

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Use the method described in my post. It works everytime unless there is something wrong with your wiring.
 

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jrichker said:
Use the method described in my post. It works everytime unless there is something wrong with your wiring.
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