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Dusstbuster said:
A handgun can be used in conjunction with a CCW permit though...good luck concealing a shotgun.
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Thats why I own multiple firearms. No such thing as multipurpose in my family. Maybe we're all just gun nuts.
 
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Shaolin Crane said:
I too am a firearms instructor, though my expertise is in close combat and disarming. But my weapon of choice is a 1911, tell me why you wouldnt recommend a 1911? Is superior trigger pull, pull length, trigger weight, slim design, optimum safety location, though a limited capacity at 10rds (which dosnt matter here in CA since we cant have more than 10rds) Grip angle is so perfect that 90% of all other brands use the 1911 grip angle. Complete tear down requires no tools as the gun itself was designed to take itself apart. Dead reliable. Weight may be a negative for some, but with the added weight follow up shots become easier and makes gun placement in the hand more apparent.

I dont think you can just brush off a 1911 as a bad combat handgun without providing info as to why.
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I did not say the 1911 is a bad combat handgun. I said I would not recommend it for the average person. The 1911 is one of the finest handguns ever made and makes an excellant combat handgun IF you practise with it. It needs to be cocked and locked to carry it. This means that a crisis situation requires the safety being disengaged before the gun can be placed into service. This requires fine motor skills which need to be practised. Very few people practise to the level required for. For the average person i would recommend a revolver or semi-auto which can simply be drawn and fired with no other manipulation. There are a huge number of excellant choices in many different calibers. Of course this is all just my opinion. As I said in my original post, there is a lot of subjectivness and opinion involved in handgun selection and usage. (If I was only able to own one firearm, it would be a 12 ga shotgun)
 

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eicht said:
I did not say the 1911 is a bad combat handgun. I said I would not recommend it for the average person. The 1911 is one of the finest handguns ever made and makes an excellant combat handgun IF you practise with it. It needs to be cocked and locked to carry it. This means that a crisis situation requires the safety being disengaged before the gun can be placed into service. This requires fine motor skills which need to be practised. Very few people practise to the level required for. For the average person i would recommend a revolver or semi-auto which can simply be drawn and fired with no other manipulation. There are a huge number of excellant choices in many different calibers. Of course this is all just my opinion. As I said in my original post, there is a lot of subjectivness and opinion involved in handgun selection and usage. (If I was only able to own one firearm, it would be a 12 ga shotgun)
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The safety is inline with the gripping motion of the draw. No different to practice with drawing than any other firearm. The thumb has to pass the safety to grip the gun, not much more effort to depress it. And no extra effort to train for it over training to properly draw any handgun. The effort required to take the first shot on a DA/SA requires more practice than that. Especially since the D/A is typically 3 times heavier than the S/A and i have seen ALL newcomers at least a few times plug a round in the dirt in front of them when using a D/A, and that first shot is the one that counts. Not to say i hate my sigs, but i think it takes more training to make that first D/A shot.
 

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I'm getting close. Having to resubmit all the paperwork...

You guys have been awesome.
 

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timeless2 said:
I'm getting close. Having to resubmit all the paperwork...

You guys have been awesome.
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Have you thought about a 12 gauge or a 20 gauge pump for HD Tim?
 

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Toms_2003_Stang said:
Have you thought about a 12 gauge or a 20 gauge pump for HD Tim?
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HD is a shared goal. Fun, plink, and accessibility when SHTF are also goals.

I have a Mossberg 500 I hunt with. Swap out with a tactical stock & mag, and it's easily a HD option.

Holy crap, I never knew Mustang guys were this big into plan B. Good stuff.
 

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Everyone else. I respect all thoughts and discussion provided. I will reply with fruit, in time. Thank you.
 

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timeless2 said:
Everyone else. I respect all thoughts and discussion provided. I will reply with fruit, in time. Thank you.
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No prob. man.....

Once you get a handgun you will want an AR-15, then a AK-74, then a .50 Barrett......the obsession is endless..........
 

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The Green GT said:
I own a Sig P228, XD45, Glock 19, Taurus PT100 (Beretta 96 clone), and a few other handguns. My favorite is the Glock. Hands down. Next in line would be the Sig, followed by the XD.

Glock all the way.
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Another Glock fan here. A 26 is my daily conceal carry.

Toms_2003_Stang said:
No prob. man.....

Once you get a handgun you will want an AR-15, then a AK-74, then a .50 Barrett......the obsession is endless..........
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Yes, yes it is........(it led to my DPMS AR-15, Mossberg 930SPX, etc..., etc..., etc...)
 

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Toms_2003_Stang said:
No prob. man.....

Once you get a handgun you will want an AR-15, then a AK-74, then a .50 Barrett......the obsession is endless..........
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I 3rd this. It's can be as much or more so addicting as modding Mustangs
 

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stangman said:
I 3rd this. It's can be as much or more so addicting as modding Mustangs
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Ditto. About the only other wish list I have that's as big as the one for my Mustang is the one of guns I want to own one day.
 

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sneaky98gt said:
Ditto. About the only other wish list I have that's as big as the one for my Mustang is the one of guns I want to own one day.
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x100


I'm starting to get bored with shooting pie plates at 500m with my 7mm. I'm thinking that after i get my 1911 this spring/summer that a 338 lapua is next in line for awesome long range factor.


you boy's dont have planes to worry about tho...thats worse than guns AND mustangs combined dad and I are currently saving up / looking for a good stearman project. After you ride in an open cockpit bipe with that radial blasting away...life on the ground just seems dull
 
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jlangholzj said:
...life on the ground just seems dull
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I know what you mean..I am lucky though, you guys are not only paying me to fly, but buying the gas for me too!(and I burn about 800-1000 lbs an hour so it is not cheap) I have a great job.
 

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I gave up flying in 99. Now I just watch planes all day at the world's busiest airport

btw, our IT department has weapons in the websense system I can't look at guns here
 
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Lots of good info here fellas

I'm still saving up for my first gun......Mine will be a 12ga though for HD and just to go out shooting. My handgun of choice is going be a XD(when money permits). Love the feel of them. Good luck timmeh, let us know what you end up with
 

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jlangholzj said:
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I'm starting to get bored with shooting pie plates at 500m with my 7mm. I'm thinking that after i get my 1911 this spring/summer that a 338 lapua is next in line for awesome long range factor.


you boy's dont have planes to worry about tho...thats worse than guns AND mustangs combined dad and I are currently saving up / looking for a good stearman project. After you ride in an open cockpit bipe with that radial blasting away...life on the ground just seems dull
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I definitely would like to have an Accuracy International AW338 one day.





Along with a HK416, HK MP5, Remington VTR R15 Predator, Remington 700 VTR, a Sig P226, and a Sig P229. Yes, the list is long and not likely.

And I do want to get my pilot's license and a plane one day.
 

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eicht said:
I know what you mean..I am lucky though, you guys are not only paying me to fly, but buying the gas for me too!(and I burn about 800-1000 lbs an hour so it is not cheap) I have a great job.
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seems high for a F-18 is it an E3 awacs?
 
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jlangholzj said:
seems high for a F-18 is it an E3 awacs?
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It is a UH-60 Blackhawk. Proof that you can make 15,000 lbs of crap fly. Just for clarification, that is lbs/hr not gals/hr. Works out to about 120-150 gals/hr. Fuel probe is calibrated for weight not volume
 

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On a side note...the gun I probably have the most fun shooting is my .22 rifle. Less than 200 at walmart with a scope.

Great plinking fun!
 

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eicht said:
It is a UH-60 Blackhawk. Proof that you can make 15,000 lbs of crap fly. Just for clarification, that is lbs/hr not gals/hr. Works out to about 120-150 gals/hr. Fuel probe is calibrated for weight not volume
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oops i said high...hahaha...i was thinking an F-18 should be higher than that, iirc its ~24k lbs/hour for a F/A-18F

Our gauge on the U206 is calibrated for GPH but most of our calcs are done in lbs/hr/ftlb

where you fly the hawk out of? I've got a buddy who's looking into getting a flying slot in the gaurds. He's already got airborne, air assault and this summer he's going for sapper so...lol
 
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