severe miss; pulled codes

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Car started what feels like a miss about 2 weeks ago. At first it was rare, but it became much more frequent recently. It's random in the sense that it doesn't have a constant "rythm", for lack of a better term. Basically, feels like it's going to stall (RPMs drop about 300-500), then comes right back up. This happens anywhere from 10 seconds to 1 minute apart.

I pulled codes 41 and 82. Through some searches I've seen what these codes mean (O2 sensors and Secondary Air Injection Diverter Solenoid). Would either one of these items cause a miss like I just described? I originally thought it would be ignition related, but those were the only codes.

Any ideas? The car is almost undrivable, and this is my daily driver. Also, I searched online for the Secondary Air Injection Diverter Solenoid and couldn't find any place that sells it. Local auto parts don't seem to have it, either. I'll try a dealer tomorrow, but if anyone has any leads, that would be great. BTW, car is nearly stock (cold air kit and catback), and needs to pass emissions (which just did about a month ago).

Any help is greatly appreciated.

P.S.
It's a 93 GT.
 
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Code 41 or 91 Three digit code 172 or 176 - O2 sensor indicates system lean. Look for a vacuum leak or failing O2 sensor.

Revised 22-Jun-2009 to include 3 digit code and wiring for 94-95 5.0 Mustangs

Code 41 is a RH side sensor,
Code 91 is the LH side sensor.

Code 172 is the RH side sensor
Code 176 is the LH side sensor

The computer sees a lean mixture signal coming from the O2 sensors and tries to compensate by adding more fuel. Many times the end result is an engine that runs pig rich and stinks of unburned fuel.

The following is a Quote from Charles O. Probst, Ford fuel Injection & Electronic Engine control:
"When the mixture is lean, the exhaust gas has oxygen, about the same amount as the ambient air. So the sensor will generate less than 400 Millivolts. Remember lean = less voltage.

When the mixture is rich, there's less oxygen in the exhaust than in the ambient air , so voltage is generated between the two sides of the tip. The voltage is greater than 600 millivolts. Remember rich = more voltage.

Here's a tip: the newer the sensor, the more the voltage changes, swinging from as low as 0.1 volt to as much as 0.9 volt. As an oxygen sensor ages, the voltage changes get smaller and slower - the voltage change lags behind the change in exhaust gas oxygen.

Because the oxygen sensor generates its own voltage, never apply voltage and never measure resistance of the sensor circuit. To measure voltage signals, use an analog voltmeter with a high input impedance, at least 10 megohms. Remember, a digital voltmeter will average a changing voltage." End Quote

Testing the O2 sensors 87-93 5.0 Mustangs
Measuring the O2 sensor voltage at the computer will give you a good idea of how well they are working. You'll have to pull the passenger side kick panel off to gain access to the computer connector. Remove the plastic wiring cover to get to the back side of the wiring. Use a safety pin or paper clip to probe the connections from the rear. The computer pins are 29 (LH O2 with a dark green/pink wire) and 43 (RH O2 with a dark blue/pink wire). Use the ground next to the computer to ground the voltmeter. The O2 sensor voltage should switch between .2-.9 volt at idle.


Testing the O2 sensors 94-95 5.0 Mustangs
Measuring the O2 sensor voltage at the computer will give you a good idea of how well they are working. You'll have to pull the passenger side kick panel off to gain access to the computer connector. Remove the plastic wiring cover to get to the back side of the wiring. Use a safety pin or paper clip to probe the connections from the rear. The computer pins are 29 (LH O2 with a red/black wire) and 27 (RH O2 with a gray/lt blue wire). Use pin 32 (gray/red wire) to ground the voltmeter. The O2 sensor voltage should switch between .2-.9 volt at idle.


Note that all resistance tests must be done with power off. Measuring resistance with a circuit powered on will give false readings and possibly damage the meter. Do not attempt to measure the resistance of the O2 sensors, it may damage them.

Testing the O2 sensor wiring harness
Most of the common multimeters have a resistance scale. Be sure the O2 sensors are disconnected and measure the resistance from the O2 sensor body harness to the pins on the computer.

The O2 sensor ground (orange wire with a ring terminal on it) is in the wiring harness for the fuel injection wiring. I grounded mine to one of the intake manifold bolts

Make sure you have the proper 3 wire O2 sensors. Only the 4 cylinder cars used a 4 wire sensor, which is not compatible with the V8 wiring harness.

Replace the O2 sensors in pairs if replacement is indicated. If one is weak or bad, the other one probably isn't far behind.

If you get only code 41 and have changed the sensor, look for vacuum leaks. This is especially true if you are having idle problems. The small plastic tubing is very brittle after many years of the heating it receives. Replace the tubing and check the PVC and the hoses connected to it.
A secondary problem with only a code 41 is for cars with an intact smog pump and cats. If the tube on the back of the heads clogs up the driver’s side, all the air from the smog pump gets dumped into one side. This excess air upsets the O2 sensor calibration and can set a false code 41. The cure is to remove the crossover tube and thoroughly clean the insides so that there is no carbon blocking the free flow of air to both heads.




Code 82 – Secondary Air Injection Diverter Solenoid failure AM1. Possible bad wiring, bad connections, missing or defective solenoid valve. Check the solenoid valve for +12 volts at the Red wire and look for the Red/White wire to switch from +12 volts to 1 volt or less. The computer controls the valve by providing a ground path on the Red/White wire for the solenoid valve

With the engine running, stick a safety pin in the Red/White wire for the solenoid valve & ground it. That should turn the solenoid on and cause air to flow out the port that goes to the pipe connected to the heads. If it doesn't, the valve is bad. If it does cause the airflow to switch, the computer or wiring going to the computer is not signaling the solenoid valve to open.

Both 81 & 82 codes usually mean that some uneducated person removed the solenoid control valves for the Thermactor Air system in an attempt to make the car faster. It doesn't work that way: no working control valves can cause the cat converters to choke and clog.




See the "Surging Idle Checklist for help with all your idle/stall problems.

The quick and easy way to dump the codes is in there too, and all you need to do it is a paper clip! The first two posts contain all the fixes & updates. At last count there were 24 possible causes and fixes for surging idle/stall problems. I continue to update it as more people post fixes or ask questions.





Thermactor Air System
Some review of how it works...

Revised 17-Sept-2011 to add testing procedure.

The Thermactor air pump (smog pump) supplies air to the heads or catalytic converters. This air helps break down the excess HC (hydrocarbons) and CO (carbon monoxide). The air supplied to the catalytic converters helps create the catalytic reaction that changes the HC & CO into CO2 and water vapor. Catalytic converters on 5.0 Mustangs are designed to use the extra air provided by the smog pump. Without the extra air, the catalytic converters will clog and fail.

The Thermactor air pump draws air from an inlet filter in the front of the pump. The smog pump puts air into the heads when the engine is cold and then into the catalytic converters when it is warm. The Thermactor control valves serve to direct the flow. The first valve, TAB (Thermactor Air Bypass) or AM1 valve) either dumps air to the atmosphere or passes it on to the second valve. The second valve, TAD (Thermactor Air Diverter valve or AM2 valve) directs it to the heads or the catalytic converters. Check valves located after the TAB & TAD solenoids prevent hot exhaust gases from damaging the control valves or pump in case of a backfire. The air serves to help consume any unburned hydrocarbons by supplying extra oxygen to the catalytic process. The computer tells the Thermactor Air System to open the Bypass valve at WOT (wide open throttle) minimizing engine drag. This dumps the pump's output to the atmosphere, and reduces the parasitic drag caused by the smog pump to about 2-4 HP at WOT. The Bypass valve also opens during deceleration to reduce or prevent backfires.

Code 44 RH side air not functioning.
Code 94 LH side air not functioning.

The computer uses the change in the O2 sensor readings to detect operation of the Thermactor control valves. When the dump valve opens, it reduces the O2 readings in the exhaust system. Then it closes the dump valve and the O2 readings increase. By toggling the dump valve (TAB), the computer tests for the 44/94 codes.

Failure mode is usually due to a clogged air crossover tube, where one or both sides of the tube clog with carbon. The air crossover tube mounts on the back of the cylinder heads and supplies air to each of the Thermactor air passages cast into the cylinder heads. When the heads do not get the proper air delivery, they set codes 44 & 94, depending on which passage is clogged. It is possible to get both 44 & 94, which would suggest that the air pump or control valves are not working correctly, or the crossover tube is full of carbon or missing.


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Computer operation & control for the Thermactor Air System
Automobile computers use current sink technology. They do not source power to any relay, solenoid or actuator like the IAC, fuel pump relay, or fuel injectors. Instead the computer provides a ground path for the positive battery voltage to get back to the battery negative terminal. That flow of power from positive to negative is what provides the energy to make the IAC, fuel pump relay, or fuel injectors work. No ground provided by the computer, then the actuators and relays don't operate.

One side of the any relay/actuator/solenoid in the engine compartment will be connected to a red wire that has 12-14 volts anytime the ignition switch is in the run position. The other side will have 12-14 volts when the relay/actuator/solenoid isn't turned on. Once the computer turns on the clamp side, the voltage on the computer side of the wire will drop down to 1 volt or less.

In order to test the TAD/TAB solenoids, you need to ground the white/red wire on the TAB solenoid or the light green/black wire on the TAD solenoid.

For 94-95 cars: the colors are different. The White/Red wire (TAB control) is White/Orange (Pin 31 on the PCM). The Green/Black wire (TAD control) should be Brown (pin 34 at the PCM). Thanks to HISSIN50 for this tip.

Testing the system:

To test the computer, you can use a test light across the TAB or TAD wiring connectors and dump the codes. When you dump the codes, the computer does a self test that toggles every relay/actuator/solenoid on and off. When this happens, the test light will flicker.

Disconnect the big hose from smog pump: with the engine running you should feel air output. Reconnect the smog pump hose & apply vacuum to the first vacuum controlled valve: Its purpose is to either dump the pump's output to the atmosphere or pass it to the next valve.

The next vacuum controlled valve directs the air to either the cylinder heads when the engine is cold or to the catalytic converter when the engine is warm. Disconnect the big hoses from the back side of the vacuum controlled valve and start the engine. Apply vacuum to the valve and see if the airflow changes from one hose to the next.

The two electrical controlled vacuum valves mounted on the rear of the passenger side wheel well turn the vacuum on & off under computer control. Check to see that both valves have +12 volts on the red wire. Then ground the white/red wire and the first solenoid should open and pass vacuum. Do the same thing to the light green/black wire on the second solenoid and it should open and pass vacuum.

Remember that the computer does not source power for any actuator or relay, but provides the ground necessary to complete the circuit. That means one side of the circuit will always be hot, and the other side will go to ground or below 1 volt as the computer switches on that circuit.

The computer provides the ground to complete the circuit to power the solenoid valve that turns the
vacuum on or off. The computer is located under the passenger side kick panel. Remove the kick panel & the cover over the computer wiring connector pins. Check Pin 38 Solenoid valve #1 that provides vacuum to the first Thermactor control valve for a switch from 12-14 volts to 1 volt or less. Do the same with pin 32 solenoid valve #2 that provides vacuum to the second Thermactor control valve. Starting the engine with the computer jumpered to self test mode will cause all the actuators to toggle on and off. If after doing this and you see no switching of the voltage on and off, you can start testing the wiring for shorts to ground and broken wiring. An Ohm check to ground with the computer connector disconnected & the solenoid valves disconnected should show open circuit between the pin 32 and ground and again on pin 38 and ground. In like manner, there should be less than 1 ohm between pin 32 and solenoid valve #2 and pin 38 & Solenoid valve #1.

If after checking the resistance of the wiring & you are sure that there are no wiring faults, start looking at the solenoid valves. If you disconnect them, you can jumper power & ground to them to verify operation. Power & ground supplied should turn on the vacuum flow, remove either one and the vacuum should stop flowing.

Typical resistance of the solenoid valves is in the range of 20-70 Ohms.

Theory of operation:
Catalytic converters consist of two different types of catalysts: Reduction and Oxidation.
The Reduction catalyst is the first converter in a 5.0 Mustang, and the Oxidation converter is the second converter. The Oxidation converter uses the extra air from the smog pump to burn the excess HC. Aftermarket converters that use the smog pump often combine both types of catalysts in one housing. Since all catalytic reactions depend on heat to happen, catalytic converters do not work as efficiently with long tube headers. The extra length of the long tubes reduces the heat available to operate the O2 sensors and the catalytic converters. That will cause emissions problems, and reduce the chances of passing an actual smog test.


Now for the Chemistry...
"The reduction catalyst is the first stage of the catalytic converter. It uses platinum and rhodium to help reduce the NOx emissions. When an NO or NO2 molecule contacts the catalyst, the catalyst rips the nitrogen atom out of the molecule and holds on to it, freeing the oxygen in the form of O2. The nitrogen atoms bond with other nitrogen atoms that are also stuck to the catalyst, forming N2. For example:

2NO => N2 + O2 or 2NO2 => N2 + 2O2

The oxidation catalyst is the second stage of the catalytic converter. It reduces the unburned hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide by burning (oxidizing) them over a platinum and palladium catalyst. This catalyst aids the reaction of the CO and hydrocarbons with the remaining oxygen in the exhaust gas. For example:

2CO + O2 => 2CO2

There are two main types of structures used in catalytic converters -- honeycomb and ceramic beads. Most cars today use a honeycomb structure." Quote courtesy of How Stuff Works (HowStuffWorks "Catalysts")

What happens when there is no extra air from the smog pump...
As engines age, the quality of tune decreases and wear causes them to burn oil. We have all seem cars that go down the road puffing blue or black smoke from the tailpipe. Oil consumption and poor tune increase the amount of HC the oxidation catalyst has to deal with. The excess HC that the converters cannot oxidize due to lack of extra air becomes a crusty coating inside the honeycomb structure. This effectively reduces the size of the honeycomb passageways and builds up thicker over time and mileage. Continuous usage under such conditions will cause the converter to fail and clog. The extra air provided by the Thermactor Air System (smog pump) is essential for the oxidation process. It oxidizes the added HC from oil consumption and poor tune and keeps the HC levels within acceptable limits.

Newer catalytic converters do not use the Thermactor Air System (smog pump) because they are designed to work with an improved computer system that runs leaner and cleaner
They add an extra set of O2 sensors after the catalytic converters to monitor the oxygen and HC levels. Using this additional information, the improved computer system adjusts the air/fuel mixture for cleaner combustion and reduced emissions. If the computer cannot compensate for the added load of emissions due to wear and poor tune, the catalytic converters will eventually fail and clog. The periodic checks (smog inspections) are supposed to help owners keep track of problems and get them repaired.
 
So off of that answer, I'm thinking I may want to clean the crossover tube before I go spending money on O2 sensors and such, and see what happens (yeah, money is tight).

Are the symptoms I described consistent with a clogged crossover tube? Also, i'm sure I have vaccum leaks. Poking around today I found a pretty big one. A hose that seems to come from the air pump to a hole on the underside of the upper intake manifold had cracked and snapped off at a joint fitting. I cutoff the damaged end and had enough slack to put the two ends back together.

Is there a "right way" of finding vaccum leaks, or is it just go one by one until you find a problem. Damn car seems to have miles of vaccum hose.

This really sucks. I really want to keep the car, but can't afford a second car for when this one is down. I'm trying to make it ultra-reliable.

Thanks for the help so far. All other input would be greatly appreciated.
 
A miss will make it read lean, because the unburnt fuel air mix will result in more air making the system think it's lean.

A 93 uses mainly the MAF to decide how to meter fuel. A bad MAF may not nessesarily shoot a code, but it will tell the computer the the wrong reading of air volume. Make sure the MAF is clean, youcan use MAF cleaner or electronic's parts cleaner, both sold at autoparts stores.
 
Run a cylinder balance test to determine which cylinders are misfiring.

Its part of the check engine code reading process. Search for the procedure here as its been discussed many times.
 
Code scan only showed the two codes above, 41 and 82. Nothing indicating an actual missfire; it just feels like one. I may go ahead and change wires, cap and rotor, since I haven't done it in a long time (did spark plugs a few months ago).

I thought about the MAF, too, since I run a K&N type filter. I hear the oil from it can cause issues if not cleaned. I'll give it a good cleaning and see if that helps.
 
Code scan only showed the two codes above, 41 and 82. Nothing indicating an actual missfire; it just feels like one. I may go ahead and change wires, cap and rotor, since I haven't done it in a long time (did spark plugs a few months ago).

Yes, after the codes are read, you need to initate the cylinder balance test

EEC-IV Testing - Cylinder Balance Test

It will then give you another code indicated in one or more or all cylinders are misfiring.
 
Yes, after the codes are read, you need to initate the cylinder balance test

EEC-IV Testing - Cylinder Balance Test

It will then give you another code indicated in one or more or all cylinders are misfiring.

So, does the test start automatically after the KOER is done? Does it depend on the type of scanner you use?

Today I changed cap/rotor and wires, and pulled the MAF and sprayed it with electronics part cleaner. Didn't have time to drive the car (I'm doing this before work this morning), but with the engine on it sounds like the problem is still there.

The next step will be cleaning the crossover tube and doing the cylinder balance test. Both will have to wait until Sunday, unfortunately.

Thanks for all the info so far.
 
So, does the test start automatically after the KOER is done? Does it depend on the type of scanner you use?

Today I changed cap/rotor and wires, and pulled the MAF and sprayed it with electronics part cleaner. Didn't have time to drive the car (I'm doing this before work this morning), but with the engine on it sounds like the problem is still there.

The next step will be cleaning the crossover tube and doing the cylinder balance test. Both will have to wait until Sunday, unfortunately.

Thanks for all the info so far.


No, you need to initiate it. it's simple.

Run the Key on, Engine running codes again. Hold the clutch in the entire time if a 5-spd. Wait until the very last code is displayed. Within 2 mins of the last code, give the gas pedal a 50% throttle rev. The engine should idle up again to maybe 1500RPM and then will turn off 1 cylinder at a time and do all 8. It will then flash more codes. Once done, repeat the test 2 more times. Simply wait til codes stop flashing and then rev the engine again and test will restart.

Depending on the scanner, the codes will be something along the line of 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, or 90. It could also be a set number of blinks...1 thru 9.

Code 90 or 9 blinks is all cylinders contributing equally.

If you get a code 40 or 4 blinks, it means cylinder 4 misfiring.
 
Ok, I did the cylinder balance test. Did it with the check engine light, so I hope I got it right. Pulled cylinders 6, 4 and 3. Not sure what to do at this point. This time the KOER test gave me both O2 sensor codes, 41 and 91.

Tomorrow morning I'll pull one of those spark plugs and see what they look like. Also, I put some Sea Foam in the crankcase and fuel tank. Figured it couldn't hurt.

Do to the randomness of the symptoms, could this be maybe a bad fuel pressure regulator? A bad ignition coil? All I can come up with is semi-educated guesses.
 
Ok, I did the cylinder balance test. Did it with the check engine light, so I hope I got it right. Pulled cylinders 6, 4 and 3. Not sure what to do at this point. This time the KOER test gave me both O2 sensor codes, 41 and 91.

Tomorrow morning I'll pull one of those spark plugs and see what they look like. Also, I put some Sea Foam in the crankcase and fuel tank. Figured it couldn't hurt.

Do to the randomness of the symptoms, could this be maybe a bad fuel pressure regulator? A bad ignition coil? All I can come up with is semi-educated guesses.

Fuel pressure regulator or coil would have affected all cylinders, not just 3, 4 & 6. Make sure that the engine RPM is at least 1400 RPM when it does the cylinder balance test or you get wandering results. Each time you run the test, you get different cylinders that fail. Rerun the cylinder balance test and see if you get the same cylinders. If you do, it's time to start digging.

Do a compression test on all the cylinders.
Take special note of any cylinder that shows up as weak in the cylinder balance test. Low compression on one of these cylinders rules out the injectors as being the most likely cause of the problem. Look at cylinders that fail the cylinder balance test but have good compression. These cylinders either have a bad injector, bad spark plug or spark plug wire. Move the wire and then the spark plug to another cylinder and run the cylinder balance test again. If it follows the moved wire or spark plug, you have found the problem. If the same cylinder fails the test again, the injector is bad. If different cylinders fail the cylinder balance test, you have ignition problems or wiring problems in the 10 pin black & white electrical connectors located by the EGR.

How to do a compression test:
Only use a compression tester with a screw in adapter for the spark plug hole. The other type leaks too much to get an accurate reading. Your local auto parts store may have a compression tester to rent. If you do mechanic work on your own car on a regular basis, it would be a good tool to add to your collection.

With the engine warmed up, remove all spark plugs and prop the throttle wide open, crank the engine until it the gage reading stops increasing. On a cold engine, it will be hard to tell what's good & what's not. Some of the recent posts have numbers ranging from 140-170 psi. If the compression is low, squirt some oil in the cylinder and do it again – if it comes up, the rings are worn. There should be no more than 10% difference between cylinders. Use a blow down leak test (puts compressed air inside cylinders) on cylinders that have more than 10% difference.

See the link to my site for details on how to build your own blow down type compression tester.
 
I'll run the cylinder tests this weekend, and I'll try to do a compression test as well.

In the mean time, would a large vaccum leak cause these symptoms? My dad seems pretty convinced it's a vaccum issue (I do know I have a leak somewhere, and it's something else I'll be trying to chase down this weekend). I was thinking some sort of leak related to the air pump or EGR, or something along those lines.

Thanks for all the help so far.
 
How many times did you run the test in a row? You should really do it three times and note if the cylinders stay the same and you get the same ones each time.

You get the same three cylinders three times in a row, you have an issue with those cylinders.

Vac leak wouldn't cause 3 particular cylinders to misfire.

Check compression, check spare, check fuel. Could be burned/old wires, crappy plugs, or even clogged injectors.
 
Only ran the test once. I noticed you guys mentioned running it 3 times, so I'll do that this weekend.

Wires, cap and rotor are brand new. Plugs are semi-new (changed them a couple of months ago). I don't think the problem lies there, though it's possible it could be somewhere else in the ignition system.

On the fuel side, the pump/filter are new (this year). I'm going to try to measure fuel pressure just to check that off the list. The clogged injector had occured to me. I guess I'll know more once I run the cylinder test again, if it consistently shows the same cylinders.
 
Just another observation: when I hit WOT, I can hear a "clicking" sound under the hood whenever the "miss" happens. I'm not saying this is the case, but it sounds like the clicking you hear when an electric relay turns on. Not saying it's a relay; just that it makes the same kind of sound.

Anyways, not quite sure what to make of this noise, but thought I'd mention it.
 
Just did the cylinder balance test. Got a different set of cylinders each time (8-4-3/7-6-5/8-6-2). I'm going to check some of the other stuff I've seen mentioned, and if nothing pans out I'll do a compression check.

I'll post whatever I find.
 
One thing I did notice: I checked the timing just because (SPOUT out), and it looks like it was wandering anywhere from 8-12 deg BTDC (I originally had it set to 10 BTDC. Also, whenever the "miss" would occur, there was no flash from the timing light. I'm assuming that particular plug did not fire at that moment.

Now, would this be a cause or a consequence of the "miss"? I have new cap/rotor and wires, and "newish" plugs, which leaves the coil (not likely), the distributor itself (also not likely), and the TFI module. Anyone know what the symptoms of a faulty TFI module are?