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N20Jnky

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Hey Gang:

Read this, copy it, and email it to everyone you know... She certainly does not get my vote!!!!

WE ARE HONORING A TRAITOR ?

KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA

This is for all the kids born in the 70's that do not remember this and didn't have to bear the burden, that our fathers, mothers and older brothers and sisters had to bear.

Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the "100 Women of the Century."

Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country but specific men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam.

The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot.

The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.

In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison-the "Hanoi Hilton."

Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American "Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd received.

He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was dragged away.

During the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the camp Commandant's feet, which sent that officer berserk.

In '78, the AF Col. still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying days) from the Vietnamese Col.'s frenzied application of a wooden baton.

From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the "Hilton"- the first three of which he was "missing in action".

His wife lived on faith that he was still alive.

His group, too, got the cleaned, fed, clothed routine in preparation for a 'peace delegation" visit.
They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they still survived.

Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his SSN on it, in the palm of his hand.

When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?"

Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper.

She took them all without missing a beat.

At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him the little pile of papers.

Three men died from the subsequent beatings.

Col. Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know about her actions that day.
I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietna m in 1968, and held for over 5 years.

I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a cage in Cambodia, and one year in a "black box" in Hanoi.

My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border.

At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.)

We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."
When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with Jane Fonda.

I said yes, for I would like to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as "humane and lenient."

Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a large amount of steel placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane till my arms dipped.
I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours after I was released.

I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV.

She did not answer me.

This does not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of "100 Years of Great Women."

Lest we forget..." 100 years of great women" should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots.

There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them.

Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can.

It will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that we will never forget.

RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, USAF
716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of Maintenance
DSN: 875-6431
COMM: 883-6343

PLEASE HELP BY SENDING THIS TO EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK. IF ENOUGH PEOPLE SEE THIS MAYBE HER STATUS WILL CHANGE.
 
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pcinpdx

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A couple of things:

The show "A Celebration: 100 Years of Great Women" aired back in April of '99. It's not a current event.

This is a mass email that has been circulating on the Internet for some time now and contains both fact and fiction. Read this to form your own opinion on the matter.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not a Jane Fonda supporter and I'm in no way trying to stick up for her. I just HATE seeing these kind of mass emails being circulated that people fabricate to push their own agenda. Whenever I get one I try and substatiate the content before passing it on.

Not trying to piss on your party Junky...
 

Darkness

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Yeah I read that on military.com a few months ago, and its one of those urban myths.
 

89MustangGX

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If you want something to try and stop...

I just heard today there is a group in Canada building a bronze statue to honor all of the draft dodgers who came across the border during Vietnam for their "heroism in recognizing an unjust war" or something like that.

Trying to find more info, but that made me sick.
 

Darkness

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89MustangGX said:
If you want something to try and stop...

I just heard today there is a group in Canada building a bronze statue to honor all of the draft dodgers who came across the border during Vietnam for their "heroism in recognizing an unjust war" or something like that.

Trying to find more info, but that made me sick.
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Can I get a gold statue for my "heroism" in recognizing that canadians are idiots?

 

jordanvraptor

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Up in Seattle they have a statue of Lenin...

When the Russians were tearing them down, some enlightened leftist up there decided it should be saved and revered for future generations.

At least the pidgeons know what its good for....

 

Rootus

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One of the things that makes this nation great is the freedom to say such things as Jane Fonda did. Doesn't change the fact that I would like to hang her by her toenails, however. But I want to keep the freedom. May Fonda rot in hell...
 

jordanvraptor

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Well, let's be fair Dave, she did get a lot of women to dress in skimpy tights and show a lot of cleavage in those workout videos....
 
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N20Jnky

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Dammit... Once again I'm a day late (well actually about six years) and way the hell more than a dollar short sorry to be spreading old news!!!! Not to mention the Lenin statue... Hell I thought it was a statue of the Ludafisk King... I have got to get out of my garage a little more often!!!!
 

JetBrett

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jordanvraptor said:
Up in Seattle they have a statue of Lenin...

When the Russians were tearing them down, some enlightened leftist up there decided it should be saved and revered for future generations.

At least the pidgeons know what its good for....

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No freekin way!! Are you sure it's Lenin? Yea, it looks like him and it looks like one of those Russian statues, but could it be somebody else? If it is, I think we should find as many company stickers - Pepsi, Coke, McDonalds, Boeing, Microsoft, etc and post them all over it. The ultra left isn't the only crowd with the right to artistic free speech.
 

Darkness

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JetBrett said:
If it is, I think we should find as many company stickers - Pepsi, Coke, McDonalds, Boeing, Microsoft, etc and post them all over it. The ultra left isn't the only crowd with the right to artistic free speech.
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Yeah no 5hit, put a devil dog t-shirt over him
 

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jordanvraptor said:
Up in Seattle they have a statue of Lenin...

When the Russians were tearing them down, some enlightened leftist up there decided it should be saved and revered for future generations.

At least the pidgeons know what its good for....

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Naaa.......He just wanted a Taco....
 
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Which part made you sick?

"I just heard today there is a group in Canada building a bronze statue to honor all of the draft dodgers who came across the border during Vietnam for their "heroism in recognizing an unjust war" or something like that."

I guess I don't understand. Which part made you sick, calling them heroes, or calling Vietnam and unjust war?

There's a lot of chicken ****s out there like G. Bush that didn't serve their country cause they were cowards--to busy pissing their pant to serve. On the other hand their were many that called b.s. and refused to go--because it was an unjust war. They didn't have Mommy and Daddy their to pay their way into the "champagne unit".

We call guys who had the money and influence to get into the Guard during Nam honarable, while we call those that ran over the border cowards. Frankly, I don't see the difference. Certainly, I believe LOTS of men and women served in the Guard during Nam honarably. So don't even go there.

As for Jane, while her tactics (and maybe J. Kerry's) may turn your stomach. I wonder how many more (1000's) of American boys would have been killed if the war hadn't been stopped? Clearly those in charge had no intention of stopping when they did. It was the pressure put to bare on them by patriotic American citizens that stopped the Vietnam war.


Just my opinion.
 

Darkness

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denialdave said:
It was the pressure put to bare on them by patriotic American citizens that stopped the Vietnam war.
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Patriotic Americans dont burn flags nor attack GI's because a war is unjust!
 

jordanvraptor

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So flying a jet fighter is cowardly? I used to be Crash Fire Rescue in the Marines and I've seen lots of them crash and more than a few pilots die. It is not a job for the faint at heart. If you don't like President Bush that's fine. It is your protected right. I disagree with the President on a lot of his policies, but I would never call him a coward.

By the way, passed my physical at the ripe old age of 37 and am now cleared to enlist in the Oregon National Guard as Infantry with the expectation of deploying to Iraq or Afghanistan...
 

Darkness

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jordanvraptor said:
By the way, passed my physical at the ripe old age of 37 and am now cleared to enlist in the Oregon National Guard as Infantry with the expectation of deploying to Iraq or Afghanistan...
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How was it??? Did you get by the Doc? ya know the test?
 

ZeroCool

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good luck to both of you. Semper Fi and all the other stuff!
 

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If you want to know the straight-s**t about Jane Fonda, just talk to a couple of vets. I promise you, in less than three minutes you'll have no use for her as a human being. I didn't click on the "myth" link, but trust me, she did some pretty horrible things to put the U.S. / military in the worst-possible light.

Again, I've talked with my uncles and friends who fought over there and knew exactly what she did.
 

89MustangGX

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denialdave said:
I guess I don't understand. Which part made you sick, calling them heroes, or calling Vietnam and unjust war?
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It makes me sick that there are people who want to celebrate dodging the draft. Whether you agree with any war or not -- you have the right to do so. What you don't have the right to do, is ignore our country's call for help, especially given all the other rights and privledges these same people enjoy day in and day out.

Hopefully that clears up my opinion.
 

fast99cobra

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Dave you dont need exhaust for your car, i would suggest 3" bassani to clear the liberal hot wind your blowing out your tail pipe.
The thousands of Americans we lost before we pulled out of Viet Nam was a tragedy we all agree on that. But What about the over 2 million Khmer that were massacred in the Killing Fields? What about the hundreds of thousands of ARVN allies and other freindlies who were re-educated or murdered as a result of our pull-out? What about the fact that former V.C. and NVA generals have publicly stated that the only reason they won was a result of the treason and sedition of members of the peace movement such as Jane Fonda? Go back to your marxist brinwashing, listen to a little more NPR and OPB. Smoke a bowl. Get your thoughts together and reply to me. I can use a chuckle.
Jordan thank you for your service, to all those about to go message me, the least i can do is buy you a few rounds for the fact that you have the courage to do what it takes to keep my ass free. I appreciate real Patriots as much as i loathe psuedo-socialists.
Now enough politics lets talk stangs
 
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