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Pakrat

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Well no question that it's not a fare trade, but quite honestly I'd say the going rate of the 65' might even be higher and will surely climb higher while the 2000 does not. With the shine of the new body style out for a while last years model is off the hot list. I've seen 2000 GT's on the lots marked in the 12k range or so and there don't seem to be alot of takers. Many have even traded their cars in for as little as 9k towards the new 05'. The coupe if as stated is probably more in the 13 to 14k range right now. Regardless though, I think your amount of use and intent should be the deciding factor here. How much daily driving do you do? Gas is more for sure and comfort should also be considered. Cool is all fine and well but fater more than an hour your ass gets numb in those old seats and there is no back support. Texas winter mornings can get cold and the heaters aren't the best. Like wise rush hour traffic in August can have your car blowing steam in no time, and you too withotu AC, (but even with it that has to turn off in heavy traffic if you run hot). I see no mention of brakes so I assume it has drums still, not wise in bumper to bumper. Fixing them can be easy but trouble shooting not so much, a loose ground is all it takes and you got a no start in the morning. Do plan to modify it in any way? All the things I mention above can easily be added or replaced, but if it's a daily that means the task has to be done over the weekend or you got no ride on Monday. Nothing is worse than pulling stuff off, breaking the new part or finding it doesn't fit or whatever, and then having to now put all your old stuff back on just to get to work next week. Also, since you are in fact partial to fastbacks, this car may not be all that too you for very longer and your eye will wonder. Insurance will be tough too as a daily, you'll have to get regular insurance for that not classic and find an agreed policy company. The list of pitfalls can go on and on and this hobby should always be fun, not frustrating.

If you really want this car I would at the least suggest you find a reliable chitbox as a back up and think of it as more of an occasional daily, then at least you'll have the option of when you work on it and when you don't and you won't find yourself using up those sick days when it's the car that is ill.
 

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I had a 66 as a daily driver just a little over a year ago. It was in really good shape, no rust, very clean car. The damn thing leaked in the rain though. Anyway, if you feel like you have to have this as a daily, then atleast don't use your extra cash on performance stuff first. The first thing you need to do is get you some REAL seat belts...

See pic below for my experience...
 

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65fastback2+2

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Pakrat said:
Well no question that it's not a fare trade, but quite honestly I'd say the going rate of the 65' might even be higher and will surely climb higher while the 2000 does not. With the shine of the new body style out for a while last years model is off the hot list. I've seen 2000 GT's on the lots marked in the 12k range or so and there don't seem to be alot of takers. Many have even traded their cars in for as little as 9k towards the new 05'. The coupe if as stated is probably more in the 13 to 14k range right now. Regardless though, I think your amount of use and intent should be the deciding factor here. How much daily driving do you do? Gas is more for sure and comfort should also be considered. Cool is all fine and well but fater more than an hour your ass gets numb in those old seats and there is no back support. Texas winter mornings can get cold and the heaters aren't the best. Like wise rush hour traffic in August can have your car blowing steam in no time, and you too withotu AC, (but even with it that has to turn off in heavy traffic if you run hot). I see no mention of brakes so I assume it has drums still, not wise in bumper to bumper. Fixing them can be easy but trouble shooting not so much, a loose ground is all it takes and you got a no start in the morning. Do plan to modify it in any way? All the things I mention above can easily be added or replaced, but if it's a daily that means the task has to be done over the weekend or you got no ride on Monday. Nothing is worse than pulling stuff off, breaking the new part or finding it doesn't fit or whatever, and then having to now put all your old stuff back on just to get to work next week. Also, since you are in fact partial to fastbacks, this car may not be all that too you for very longer and your eye will wonder. Insurance will be tough too as a daily, you'll have to get regular insurance for that not classic and find an agreed policy company. The list of pitfalls can go on and on and this hobby should always be fun, not frustrating.

If you really want this car I would at the least suggest you find a reliable chitbox as a back up and think of it as more of an occasional daily, then at least you'll have the option of when you work on it and when you don't and you won't find yourself using up those sick days when it's the car that is ill.
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i couldnt have said it better, except that i can say all that from a college freshman standpoint
 

Pakrat

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livyx95gt said:
I had a 66 as a daily driver just a little over a year ago. It was in really good shape, no rust, very clean car. The damn thing leaked in the rain though. Anyway, if you feel like you have to have this as a daily, then atleast don't use your extra cash on performance stuff first. The first thing you need to do is get you some REAL seat belts...

See pic below for my experience...
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Very good point, I should have included that with the brakes. It's been almost 2 months now since my accident and my eyes are still a little black and blue from smacking the steering column (AND THAT IS NOT EVEN COLLAPSABLE ON THE 65'). Also, we have now determined my back problem is from the lap belt only holding that area still while the rest of me flailed about. FYI, I only drive less than 1,000 miles a year as well, so I think it's fair to say as a daily you run the risk of 10 to 12 times more likely of needing better seat belts.
 

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What do you guys think is a fair price for the 65 coupe? Im thinking in the $8-9K range. If thats the case, the extra money that i would make him pay for the trade would go towards A/C, power steering and the brakes (if it doesnt have a brake conversion yet). i do 10 miles of driving a day to campus and all the stores I go to are on the way to school and less than a mile from my place, so its not like im driving a long way everyday. Also, when i leave for campus and work, I am NEVER in traffic at all.

Pakrat: After i got the A/C and brakes taken care of, the only real mod I would want to add is a cam and the monte carlo bar. It already has a 4 barrel intake/carb on it, so i dont need to worry about that. Im not looking for a super fast stang here, which is why I am even considering trading my stang for this car. i just want a nice, classic daily driver with a pretty rough cam and deep exhaust. The fast stang is going to come once that 07 Cobra is in the garage.

Seats: The seats arent great in our stangs either, so I am not worried about that. The seats in my dads 66 are more comfortable than mine in my opinion Plus, for my driving needs, i am nver in my car for more than 30 minutes.

Im not too worried about having to wrench on the car because I love working on Mustangs. I enjoy working on my dads 66 and have always loved working on Mustangs. Classic stangs are so much more fun to work on than modular stangs. I used to be a mechanic at Ford, so you can tell i love it

I'll try and get the VIN number for you guys

If this guy decides that he wants to trade, I am going to go check this car out with my dad and go over it with a magnifying glass. Drive it, and take it to a classic car shop to have it checked out.

VIN # on the car is 5r07c254733
 

CochinoFilipino

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No one ever told me classics weren't good for daily drivers. There I was enjoying driving classics everyday for 14 years. Boy was I dumb. It's much better to pay to register, insure and maintain at least two cars at the same time.
 

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If you get the the 65, Hopefully the suspension & brakes are up to the rest of the car. Still , I would suggest , First add disc brakes( if not already there), The Monte Carlo bar & export brace. Then power asssist on the brakes. A three point seat belt harness. I know Texas is hot, you still have several months till you need an A/C. Try a good set of new seats.
And on the power steering. Wait till you become more knowledgable aboout the early Stangs. The factory power stering sucks, and there are several good alternatives to the factory set up. Take your time & learn about them. And make an educated choice on what will work for you best.
 

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Tubo3 said:
If you get the the 65, Hopefully the suspension & brakes are up to the rest of the car. Still , I would suggest , First add disc brakes( if not already there), The Monte Carlo bar & export brace. Then power asssist on the brakes. A three point seat belt harness. I know Texas is hot, you still have several months till you need an A/C. Try a good set of new seats.
And on the power steering. Wait till you become more knowledgable aboout the early Stangs. The factory power stering sucks, and there are several good alternatives to the factory set up. Take your time & learn about them. And make an educated choice on what will work for you best.
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Disc's yes, a must, monte carlo bar is whenever you get around to it. Power assist on the brakes is whenever you get around to it. seat belts would be good to do after disc's (even though ive never done em to mine). A/C you dont need either. I live in houston and Ive done two summers without A/C, it isnt THAT bad. Factory power steering rocks, but because the p/s pump doesnt have a clutch, its under alot of pressure and steers with your pinky finger, so get used to how it drives.
 

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I see that that car is on Ebay right now. I have seen it before.

Make sure you ask about the cowl leaking and floor pans. If the cowl leaks...even a drop...the car is worth about half of what it would be if it didnt.
 

streetstang03

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Got a response from the seller, says that the car has no power brakes or steering and still has the drum brakes Also said the car originally had the TL 4 speed in it, but the previous owner had the C4 installed. He said the clutch pedal is still there in the car. He also said that there is a little oil leaking from the oil pan and a little dripping from the tranny pan. Said that he is having those gaskets replaced professionally before the car is sold and the tranny serviced. He also said he is wanting $15K out of this car looks like the deal isnt going to happen anymore. Still searching for a good classic stang though
 

allcarfan

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$15k for that car is VERY optimistic. Did you ask about the cowl and floor pans?
 

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ya, he said they are fine. the floor pans were done professionally. $15k is way too much for that car. i wouldnt pay anything over ~$10K.
 

Pakrat

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streetstang03 said:
ya, he said they are fine. the floor pans were done professionally. $15k is way too much for that car. i wouldnt pay anything over ~$10K.
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Hunh, so my estimates were pretty close then. What are you looking to get for your car BTW? Market value and perceived market values are very tricky with cars like this, but this car has some strange issues and for 15k you should not have to deal with them, especially a useless clutch pedal. The hunt is half the fun and the right one will come along trust me, there isn't exactly a shortage on first generation coupes. With "PROS" doing most of the work I don't doubt he feels justice in 15k, but you aren't responsible for that choice he made.

As for your situation, sounds like you could sneak buy with a classic daily and probably have an enjoyable experience with it, You could get lucky like Cochino and not have inconvienient issues but obviously not everyones situation lends to that. Defintly keep safety in mind for any car you decide on though, it's just not worth the risk. BTW, drums are fine so long as you don't drive like you have disks. I still have them and can stop just fine but I don't tailgate or drive too agressive (well, not in traffic ) in it either. Properly maintained drums can still be effective but the effort required can be a culture shock if you haven't had to rely on them before.
 

Pakrat

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CochinoFilipino said:
No one ever told me classics weren't good for daily drivers. There I was enjoying driving classics everyday for 14 years. Boy was I dumb. It's much better to pay to register, insure and maintain at least two cars at the same time.
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You have no idea how proud I am of you. I think that's just super. If you don't have the choice or the means to own more than one I say bravo. If I only ate hotdogs all my life I'd probably be content with just that also but I have a taste for steak now. I love my stang but I love owning an 04' for my beater as well and yet another car for my wife. Besides there is nothing more enjoyable than having somone ask you what kind of car you drive and answering "it depends on the weather or time of year".
 

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yeah, as much as i'd like it to be true, coupes just aren't worth that kinda coin. hell, a fastback is barely wort 15k unless it has more going for it than that (or its a 67/68).
 

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Brakes will cost aboyt $1500 for a disc conversion, AC about the same. Power steering is more piece meal.

The car won't handle anything like your new one, wont stop or go as well, will get worse mileage, and little crap will break all the time.

Coupes are worth a lot less than fastbacks, and frankly, if I lived in Texas, I wouldn't buy a car that needed floor pans. What does that say about the torque boxes and cowl vents.

Vintage cars are a while different world, and while they are nice to drive once in a while, daily they become a chore. The novelty will wear off.....
 
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