SN95 caliper to Granada spindle bracket

rhyno9 said:

Have you thought about a granada spindle and a larger rotor 13 inch with cobra (PBR) calipers?

I would like to get bigger rotors however I have granada spindles and I haven't seen an available kit that will wirk with the granada spindle. Since my drum spindles are long gone I would have to find some 70+ drum spindles to get a large rotor kit to work.


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Ryan

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Look for a kit designed to convert a stock disk brake classic stang to sn95 cobra brakes. Every kit I've seen says "Also works with Granada spindles except you have to drill out a mounting hole to a larger size" which is really easy to do.

chockostang said:

My Question to the General Public, the Mustang Public----WHY???

We have a very good Braking System in the Original FORD Design, stopped all the Shelbys, all the 428 cars, all the Boss cars, WHY CHANGE IT???

Depending on your year model Mustang, you are looking at vehicles that are 30 something-40 something years old now. At the time these vehicles were built, they were on par with the stopping ability of all the other auto manufacuter's cars that were on the road at that time too. We move forward now to over 40 years later and vehicles of today stop in much shorter distances than what these Mustangs did back in the day. If, for example, you are traveling along on an interstate at 70 or 80 MPH and the traffic suddenly makes a dramatic reduction in speed, you are going to be in trouble if everyone else's car has the ability to slow down quicker than you can, and especially if this cycle happens frequently or repeatedly.

Adequate Stopping Power, Plentiful Parts supply (As these are Factory Brakes), Why in the World are we Wanting these Homemade parts??

Most people who are into modifying their Mustangs aren't interested in "Adequate". They are interested in making the systems [such as brakes] much better than what they were to start with, with an increased safety factor margin, over stock, to boot.

The Homemade parts Market changes with the Decades, Parts Wear with the same time Factor.

The only thing "Homemade" in the brake system conversions is the means to adapt the brake components [the adapter brackets]. --Which to that end, the "homade parts" of most of the brackets produced I know of are actually either CNC, laser or water-jet produced components by competent, professional machine shops.

The brake components, i.e.; rotors and calipers [produced by Ford], remain unmodified and there's really nothing on the adapter brackets to wear out --the brake components themselves are another story. I've heard of factory-produced rotor failures, caliper failures, and hose failures, but I've never heard of anyone's adaptive ["homemade"] brackets failing. --and if they had, you can rest assured that it would be all over the forums/internet by now if it did happen.

Now, Place yourself 20 years from now, Were will the replacement parts come from??

It's well past 20 years since the last vintage Mustang brake parts were produced by Ford, however Ford themselves hasn't sold their own brake replacement parts for these cars in many years now. The only place you can get them is through auto parts stores or Mustang parts suppliers. The Fox/SN95 Mustangs/Cobras are very popular cars and already there are manufacturers reproducing parts for those models, so I don't suspect there will be any more problem getting SN95/Cobra brake parts in the future than you would find trying to get 30-40 something year old Mustang brake parts like you can right now.

The Supplier of these homemade Parts MIGHT be there to furnish new replacement parts. Might not be there, then What.??

Again, the brake components are the same factory parts that were put on the SN95 GTs or Cobras. The only thing that is different is the adaptive means --and as stated, I haven't yet seen a failure of an adapter bracket --front or rear.

But you can bet your butt, the Original Disc Brake Application ---FORD--for you Year/Model will be in Every Auto Parts store, and on Line.

Actually, if I needed a stock rotor or caliper for my '68 Mustang, I would have to order it from my local O'Reilly parts store and wait 1-5 days for it to arrive, because it would not be a stocked item [too old, low demand part]. If I needed a Cobra rotor or caliper though, there's a good chance it would be on the parts shelf at the time I needed it right then.

We're approaching nearly 9 years now that my partner [Glen Buzek] & I have been offering "homemade" disc brake conversion brackets to Mustang & related Ford owners. In that time, I can honestly say that our customer's complaints of our brackets, and their performance, totals a whopping Zero percentage rate of complaints. This can only tell me that something doesn't have to come from an automotive factory to be of a sound engineering design. My conversion brackets have run on everything from Mustangs, Cougars, Falcons, Fairlanes, street rods, etc., to all out balls-to-the-wall race cars and with zero failures. Private individuals outside of Ford, GM or Chrysler can produce proven, "homemade", components that can [and do] perform without problem or flaw.

Dan

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ultrastang,

Thanks for the tech. It's obvious that chockostang may have a poor understanding of this subject.

I'd like some more tech on the Granada spindle. Why is it so much better than the 1970 Boss 302 spindle?

Here is my '70 big bearing spindle with Lincoln brakes, stock suspension (required by vintage racing rules), big cooling ducts, and a few other tricks:

I just voiced my opinion, We all Have this, the option to express.

I stand by that, Stock is better.

Seem there is a hostile enviroment toward Stock.

And Yes, I will express this when I see Someone PIMPING there Parts---Does that right a BELL dENNIS??

Dan

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chockostang said:

I just voiced my opinion, We all Have this, the option to express.

I stand by that, Stock is better.

Seem there is a hostile enviroment toward Stock.

And Yes, I will express this when I see Someone PIMPING there Parts---Does that right a BELL dENNIS??

Dan

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stock parts are great on a stock restored car or vintage racer, but there are a lot of restomod guys on here who think stock is for the birds, i'm kind of in between. i like my cars to look pretty much bone stock except maybe wheels and tires, etc. my current mustang is pretty stock everywhere except for wheels and tires and a slightly hopped up 351, yes, even the brakes.....for now. my 69 cougar is going to be a period restomod/80's cafe racer or canyon carver with big, wide 15" wheels and tires, fox body GT seats, cobra II steering wheel, very built 351 with aluminum heads, long rods, forged pistons, big hydraulic roller cam, aluminum heads, etc. and big 12" lincoln brakes with billet aluminum replacement calipers, slotted and zinc washed rotors, rear disc or big rear drum brakes, a vintage hone-o-drive overdrive unit, TCP rack or Borgeson power steering gear box, TCP G-Bar rear suspenion and a custom Opentracker Racing front suspension. the car will look relatively stock from the outside though, other than the wheels and tires anyway, but will actually be far from stock.

the point is that everyone has their own vision of what they want their car to be, for some it's stock and for others it isn't. then again, some people like it both ways and have one (or more) of each.....

chockostang said:

I just voiced my opinion, We all Have this, the option to express.

I stand by that, Stock is better.

Seem there is a hostile enviroment toward Stock.

And Yes, I will express this when I see Someone PIMPING there Parts---Does that right a BELL dENNIS??

Dan

Classic Mustang Disc Brake Conversions and Power Steering

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Dan,

I wasn't being hostile towards you or factory-stock vintage brake parts. You stated your point of view and like you, I simply stated my rebuttal from the 'other side of the coin', since there's always two sides to every story.

You offer a service to the people who are looking for a stock disc brake system for their early Mustang/related Ford. By contrast, I offer components that allows the Mustang owner to adapt later model solutions to their car's existing spindles and rear ends, to enhance the stopping performance above what they could get with their stock brake systems.

Some people are only looking for stock setups. Some people want more. There's room enough in the brake market for all of us --and especially since we cater to two different types of consumers for the type of products each of us has to offer and for what they give the purchaser.

Ultrastang, not Getting down on you, Unless you have a thing going with CRSP.

When I Expressed my interest in the stock setups Versus the Granada 2-3 Years ago on the Forums, Dennis Stated BOLDY, Several Times about us "PIMPING Our Products" on the Forums for Personal Gain.

Now What the H___ he is Doing, Promoting Dial Soap??

So Each opportunity I get to Promote our Original Systems VS other Disc Brake Setups, I Do.

Do I do this For Mustang Steve, Master Power, MBM, No, I Just have Time For Dennis, Yes Plenty of Time.

Dan

1995cobraR said:

ultrastang,

Thanks for the tech. It's obvious that chockostang may have a poor understanding of this subject.

I'd like some more tech on the Granada spindle. Why is it so much better than the 1970 Boss 302 spindle?

Here is my '70 big bearing spindle with Lincoln brakes, stock suspension (required by vintage racing rules), big cooling ducts, and a few other tricks:

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Other than only some minor differences, the Granada disc spindle is pretty much the same as the '69/'70 Boss 302 spindles or the non-Boss '70-'73 Mustang disc spindles.

One problem with using '70-'73 Mustang thick-pinned drum spindles, or '70-'73Mustang or Granada disc spindles on '65/'66 Mustangs is the greater potential of bumpsteer problems.

This is due to the fact that the '65/'66 Mustangs are 2" narrower than the '67-'70 Mustangs. The '67-'70 Mustangs share the same track width and front end geometry as the '75-'80 Granadas and '70-'77 Maverick/'71-'77 Comets with their thick-pinned drum and disc brake spindles. The balljoint angles and steering arm angles are different on the '67-'70 Mustang/Granada spindles vs. the '65/'66 Mustang spindles. This is where the potential bumpsteer issues comes from when these spindles are used on the '65/'66 models.

chockostang said:

Ultrastang, not Getting down on you, Unless you have a thing going with CRSP.

When I Expressed my interest in the stock setups Versus the Granada 2-3 Years ago on the Forums, Dennis Stated BOLDY, Several Times about us "PIMPING Our Products" on the Forums for Personal Gain.

Now What the H___ he is Doing, Promoting Dial Soap??

So Each opportunity I get to Promote our Original Systems VS other Disc Brake Setups, I Do.

Do I do this For Mustang Steve, Master Power, MBM, No, I Just have Time For Dennis, Yes Plenty of Time.

Dan

Classic Mustang Disc Brake Conversions and Power Steering

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mostly you're just a dick then right?

chockostang said:

Ultrastang, not Getting down on you, Unless you have a thing going with CRSP.

When I Expressed my interest in the stock setups Versus the Granada 2-3 Years ago on the Forums, Dennis Stated BOLDY, Several Times about us "PIMPING Our Products" on the Forums for Personal Gain.

Now What the H___ he is Doing, Promoting Dial Soap??

So Each opportunity I get to Promote our Original Systems VS other Disc Brake Setups, I Do.

Do I do this For Mustang Steve, Master Power, MBM, No, I Just have Time For Dennis, Yes Plenty of Time.

Dan

Classic Mustang Disc Brake Conversions and Power Steering

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I've had a couple of owners of much larger Mustang parts/brake supplier companies contact me for my information/insight/ideas on several projects that I have collaborated with them on in the development of components.

Through these mutual collaborations of ideas, we have come up with adaptive solutions that have been very successful. Does this suddenly make me a bad guy for working with others who came to me and who are in essence also my competitors as well?

I've [primarily] promoted a couple of other company's components long before we had anything to do with each other, --and I've also promoted people's products that I still have absolutely no ties to, for which I receive no monitary gain from them whatsoever for my promotion of their products.

If you're going to be a player in the market of selling Mustang/brake components/parts, you have to accept that you are always going to have competition. The sooner you accept this fact, the less stressful your life will be. You can't and won't be the only one doing what you are doing. It took me a while to figure this out. If you're lucky enough to partner up with someone else, then your potential horizons in what you can do and accomplish only becomes broader with the mutual gains it can bring and the resultant relationships it can forge.

Regardless of who works alone or who works with others, there will still be people who buy from you, from me, from CSRP, Mustang Steve, Baer, Wilwood, and the list goes on... As I said, there's room enough in the market place for all of us. Some of us sell stock conversion stuff. Some of us sell performance conversion stuff. ...Don't hate the player(s). Hate the game.

A bad attitude will kill your sales faster than any competition ever will.

ultrastang

A bad attitude will kill your sales faster than any competition ever will.

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I like the way you think!

ultrastang said:

A bad attitude will kill your sales faster than any competition ever will.

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amen brother.