Starter Heat Soak prob w/ longtubes...Need Ideas

ram360

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My long tubes are giving the starter a bad case of heat soak. It starts up fine when its cold but once everything is up to operating temp and I shut the car off it won't start up again till it cools usually takes at least an hour. For example took it for a 5min drive shut it off and tried it again and nothing. I bought some kind of blanket for the starter that's supposed to prevent starter heat soak but it still does the same thing. It's a stock replacment starter. Anyone else w/ the same problem? I'm thinking high torque mini but not sure if that's going to do any better b/c it's still exposed to the same heat.

 

Rick 91GT

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The high TQ mini would be a little better due to the size and more air can get to it. Are you sure you have good cables, and all the connections are good, good strong starter?

I've run that huge stock starter with MAC longtubes in a lot of combo's with no heat soak issues, never used a sheild or cover either. The wrap is supposed to be very good!

 

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I had the same problem when I put long tubes on,changed to a mini High tq. starter and havent had any problems as of yet,its been about a yr.

 

trents99

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A few years ago I put a mini on mine with longtubes and never had a problem. This was on a DD in Georgia summers.

 

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It seems like yoour starter needs to be replaced. go with a mini starter and avoid that kind of trouble.
One way to find out if your starter is bad, check the cable that goes to the solenoid when you turn off the car, and if is f??? hot, most likely is going to be that.
that's what happen to me.

 

N8Miller

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i would try the starter from the 93 cobra. it works well for me and it has a lifetime gaurente from AZ.

 

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I had that problem in my car even with the smaller starter. When I put a new battery in it and moved it to the trunk with big cables it stopped completely. I think it was mainly due to the small factory cables. If you do switch to the new mini-starter I would make sure you put some bigger cables in too!!

 

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high tq starter!

 

ram360

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I'm almost tempted to try to wrap the header around the starter w/ some header wrap to see if that works, if figure that along w/ the heat cover already in place on the starter should fix it. The starter is practically brand new and I really don't want to change it again plus like I said it fires right up when cold no prob. I'm also going to recharge my battery to see if it might be low on juice. I'll probably try this easy stuff first and see what happens. Thanks for the ideas

 

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Yea I have that same problem with mine as well, I am going to try and put some header wrap on the closest pipes and see if that helps. Mine still starts when hot, but had a few cases where it made me nervous. Post up if the wrap/cables solves your problem.

 

89MustangGX

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I would be temped to look elsewhere -- like cables or weak battery first. These cars do not have nearly as much heat soak as a Chevy -- it's almost never an issue.

 

Michael Yount

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I built a very effective heat shield for the starter for next to nothing using simple aluminum gutter flashing and nylon tiewraps. I've done these on several cars and they've worked perfectly. Shoot me an email at myount@senndelaney.com if you'd like to see a picture.

 

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Had the same prob w/a new factory style start, switched to a high torque (bosch i believe) from autozone or pep boys and havnt had the problem since. Go high torque, its kinda jsut delaying the inevitable if you dont. Later

 

ram360

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Well, I checked over all the connections. Charged the battery again just to make sure it had a full charge. Tooked it for a ride came back and tried it again w/o any luck. I just can't believe the starter is still getting heat soaked w/ heat shields in place. It starts w/o any hesitation whatsoever when it's cool but once everything is at operating temp nothing until it cools down. Just figured I'd try the easier/ cheaper fixes suggested first but no luck so far.

 

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I had the same exact problems and i tried the same things you did....and bought a stock replacement starter and the problem persisted...i found it to be the ground cable...i put a larger one in and cleaned all the connections around the battery and i havent had the problem since.

 

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subscribing...

http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?t=569033

 

ram360

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Well, I ended up changing the cable coming my trunk mounted battery to the solenoid from the supplied 2g wire in the taylor kit to welding cable instead. I took the car for another ride brought it up to temp. Shut it off and it fired right up no prob. I figured that was a lucky shot so I gave it a minute and tried again, and again it started w/o any hesitation. I guess that was the prob after all.

Also, I do have two heatshields on the starter. The blanket and the homemade one michaelyount suggested. So I'm sure that's helping things out too. At any rate I think it's fixed but I'll have to drive it a few days just to make sure.

 

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Yea i guess I am going to try that too...just a bitch working on anything starter related with the damn longtubes in the way.