still working on timing....

when timing the car take the spout out. It disables the computer from advancing the timing. That is why it is also known as base timing. Pull the spout, set the timing to 10. and then put the spout back in. disconnect the battery to reset pcm.

blkcobra50 said:

when timing the car take the spout out. It disables the computer from advancing the timing. That is why it is also known as base timing. Pull the spout, set the timing to 10. and then put the spout back in. disconnect the battery to reset pcm.

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+1 - Always do your timing with the spout out. 10 degree's is stock, if you want a little more pep you can get away with running up to 13 degree's on a stock engine, but you will have to run premium fuel or your valves will click.

Too much ignition timing does not cause valve ticking.

And you can definately advance timing without removing the SPOUT - you're timing it by ear at that point (we only remove the SPOUT so we have a relative comparison point).

As the guys said, when timing it to 10-14* (the common range), it is done so with the SPOUT out. Otherwise, if timed to 14* SPOUT IN, as you noted, the timing is retarded and runs like crap.

If you are not hearing pinging, you can advance it a bit more and see how it does. THere are no hard and fast rules with ignition timing - each car handles a different amount. Just be sure to keep your ear out for the sound of pinging.

Good luck.