Fox Ten Speed Transmission
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Steel1
Mustang Master
Didn't realize Ford was going with a 10 speed auto. Is it a dual clutch transmission?
I gotta say the dual clutch tranny in my 2017 VW shifts like lightning when I use the paddles.
I gotta say the dual clutch tranny in my 2017 VW shifts like lightning when I use the paddles.
Nope, a traditional torque convertor transmission. It's supposed to shift very quickly due to a new clutch design. IIRC, it first debuted in the 2017 Ford Raptor with the new 3.5 ecoboost.
Steel1
Mustang Master
Just to add. There were two transmissions co developed. A 9 spd for FWD and the RWD 10-spd.
Ford was the lead on the 10 spd and GM led the 9 spd development
I believe the 10-spd is rated at 650 ft-lbs and shifts incredibly fast. It's definitely no AOD
I have a 2017 F150 with the 3.5 eco and the 10 spd and love it. The 10 speed does shift really fast and in the higher gears you can't even tell it's shifting. Sport mode is tons of fun. I like it way better than the 6 spd that was in my 2014 F150.
That's what i've read it's power rating is as well, though I don't know if it's different for the mustang version. Pretty interesting.
I'm not a big fan of autos usually, but this is different to me.
10 gears is too many. It's going to be great new, but put a few miles on it, and will drive you crazy.
Kurt
Kurt
I would love to see a direct comparison in 0-60 and 1/4 mile times from the old auto to the new 10spd.
I would have to drive one to see how I like it though, I would tend to think it could be a pain in the rear like revhead alluded to, depending on how well it was executed.
Joe
I would have to drive one to see how I like it though, I would tend to think it could be a pain in the rear like revhead alluded to, depending on how well it was executed.
Joe
I am dubious. I bet when it gets just a little old, it shifts more than a 4 speed, and all the shifts are harder, making it annoying.
Kurt
Technology has come a long way. It is a LOT bettter than you give it credit for
It doesn't take 10 gears to do that. The 6R80 in my F150 did it with six, the Dodge Dart/Chrysler 200 do it with 9.
Then there's the 8 speed transmissions in the Dodge Charger/Challenger and the Hyundai Equus and Hyundai Genesis/Kia K900, the 7 speed in the Mercedes GLA250/CLA250, and the 7spd in the Nissan 370Z that are all exquisite, as is the 6R80 in a 2013+ Mustang with the selectshift an other improvements compared to the 3.7L F150 version.
The number of gears in an automatic transmission has virtually nothing to do with how good or bad it'll drive. It's all in the engineering and programming.
There's just not any real way for that to happen. It's electronically controlled. This isn't a GM 700R4 or Ford AOD that'll start banging and slipping as TV cables gets out of adjustment. This is a computerized precision unit that will decide when to shift to what gear based on inputs ranging from the coolant temperature to how far the accelerator pedal is put down. It won't be linear like the 6R80 it replaced, it'll be capable of multi-gear jumps in either direction like the 8spd from ZF that Chrysler, BMW, Hyundai, and several others all use that it's designed to compete against.
Whether it sucks at it or blows them out of the water remains to be seen, but what you're predicting isn't just unlikely, it's not really possible (though worse outcomes are definitely within the realm of possibility if Ford and GM screwed this up).
My Grand Cherokee Hemi has the ZF 8spd... it's a thing of beauty, so much so that it's the first automatic I've ever driven that made me say, I can see this being the doom of manual transmissions.
In regular mode you don't even know when it's shifting (unless you watch the tach or really concentrate on feeling it), in sport mode it is damn near perfect (only complaint is that once you back off the throttle, it'll hold a gear just a little long, guessing it thinks you are going to brake for a corner, or get back into... probably playing on a twisty road it is perfect, but, we don't have twisty roads around here) and when towing, just when I think, maybe I'll grab a gear here with the paddles, it goes ahead and does so... interestingly, there is no tow mode... it simply knows there is a load and makes the programming adjustments itself.
From everything I've read and heard from actual owners of the 10spd... it's on par.
In regular mode you don't even know when it's shifting (unless you watch the tach or really concentrate on feeling it), in sport mode it is damn near perfect (only complaint is that once you back off the throttle, it'll hold a gear just a little long, guessing it thinks you are going to brake for a corner, or get back into... probably playing on a twisty road it is perfect, but, we don't have twisty roads around here) and when towing, just when I think, maybe I'll grab a gear here with the paddles, it goes ahead and does so... interestingly, there is no tow mode... it simply knows there is a load and makes the programming adjustments itself.
From everything I've read and heard from actual owners of the 10spd... it's on par.
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Going from a 5spd to 8spd in the Grand Cherokee's with Hemi was worth a little over a second 0-60 and near a second and a half in the 1/4. I believe it was even more significant with the V6 and it's narrower TQ band.
The biggest difference is simply driving around, or towing... when it's got the ability to shift for ~300rpm difference it just always feels "there" and never has to "scream" to do anything.
Couple guys I work with made the switch from 3.5eco/6spd to 3.5eco/10spd and have reported the same thing.
I have the 3.5eco/6spd, and like it a lot, but lust for the 10speed (the extra 50tq would be nice too).
7upstang91
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10 speed Coyote in a fox would be knocking of the door of 9's with the proper tune, converter and exhaust system. Heck, they are going 10's with just bolt on's and a tune. Kinda makes me want to go buy a Coyote.
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