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tylers65 · Jan 14, 2004

JimF65 said:
Very good, Tyler. You're up to date. But don't forget Mazda.... some models border on luxury cars, too. (Wellll, maybe the brand isn't classed as such.....)

The ones I quoted are all a part of Ford's "PAG" or Premier Automotive Group. Mercury is the only one that is rumored to be removed from PAG. The PAG is Ford's luxury car division.

JaysGreenLX · Jan 14, 2004

tylers65 said:
Licoln
Mercury
Volvo
Jaguar
Aston Martin
Land Rover

All Ford, all luxury.

Thats not Ford.

Thats Ford Family. Ford itself doesn't have a luxury car.

tylers65 · Jan 14, 2004

JaysGreenLX said:
Thats not Ford.

Thats Ford Family. Ford itself doesn't have a luxury car.

Crown Victoria

JaysGreenLX · Jan 14, 2004

tylers65 said:
Crown Victoria

Cop car

tylers65 · Jan 14, 2004

JaysGreenLX said:
Cop car

Cop car to police departments, luxury car for retirement home parking lots.

Either way, it is still the most luxurious car in Ford's line up. And if you have ever been in one (not the back seat ) you would know that they are indeed Ford's luxury model.

351CJ · Jan 14, 2004

tylers65 said:
The ones I quoted are all a part of Ford's "PAG" or Premier Automotive Group. Mercury is the only one that is rumored to be removed from PAG. The PAG is Ford's luxury car division.

Mercury was never part of PAG.

Lincoln was removed from PAG almost 2 years ago.

tylers65 · Jan 14, 2004

351CJ said:
Mercury was never part of PAG.

Lincoln was removed from PAG almost 2 years ago.

Looks like I just got

Seriously though, I could have sworn that all of them were still in the PAG and Mercury was too.

Regardless, it still does not take away from the debate at hand.

Does Ford actually have a Luxury car?

I think the Crown Victoria is considered a luxury car.

JimF65 · Jan 14, 2004

JaysGreenLX said:
Thats not Ford.

Thats Ford Family. Ford itself doesn't have a luxury car.

All are built by plants/divisions of Ford Motor Company. It doesn't matter that Ford chooses to limit the Ford name to certain models of the cars it sells, they are still all Ford Motor Company products. All divisions of the same company, just like Chevrolet, Buick, Pontiac, Cadillac, Saturn, Hummer, etc. are all GM cars, even though none have "GM" in the name (okay: GMC does)

The fact remains: Ford (meaning Ford Motor Company, obviously, not a particular automobile) sells more luxury cars in North America than any other carbuilder.

But we're not talking about luxury cars, and we're not talking about sports cars or pickup trucks. We're talking about Mustangs here. My comment was just to express the thought that Ford could improve the warranty on Mustangs.

FalconGTHO · Jan 14, 2004

Ron Jeremy said:
The liberals ARE the environmentalists. They are communists and socialists. They all want too many controls to be imposed by the federal government. We lose our rights when this occurs. There should be NO laws for this stupid issue of where to place a fuel door. Period!

I am a STAUNCH Conservative, but I am ALSO an environmentalist.

Ron Jeremy · Jan 14, 2004

How can a staunch conservative also be an environmentalist? I only know of the liberals to be environmentalists. You are in the minority then.

SVTdriver · Jan 14, 2004

I would consider myself a liberal. But not even remotely an environmentalist

tylers65 · Jan 14, 2004

FalconGTHO said:
I am a STAUNCH Conservative, but I am ALSO an environmentalist.

Ron Jeremy said:
How can a staunch conservative also be an environmentalist? I only know of the liberals to be environmentalists. You are in the minority then.

SVT Driver said:
I would consider myself a liberal. But not even remotely an environmentalist

Take it to the outhouse folks this is still the 2005 forum

Ned · Jan 14, 2004

I'm taking the risk here to make myself look very dumb, as I havent bothered to read the whole thread..but I sure hope ALL 12 pages arent complaints about the '05 granted there a few complaints I have to make myself, but overall I'm very excited for this car to come out! I can't wait til I see one driving down the road

tylers65 · Jan 14, 2004

Ned said:
I'm taking the risk here to make myself look very dumb, as I havent bothered to read the whole thread..but I sure hope ALL 12 pages arent complaints about the '05 granted there a few complaints I have to make myself, but overall I'm very excited for this car to come out! I can't wait til I see one driving down the road

For the most part, all of the pages of this thread were started by complaints

JaysGreenLX · Jan 15, 2004

tylers65 said:
Cop car to police departments, luxury car for retirement home parking lots.

Either way, it is still the most luxurious car in Ford's line up. And if you have ever been in one (not the back seat ) you would know that they are indeed Ford's luxury model.

A friend of mine had one. (yes I know its weird that a 22 year old kid would drive one, but it worked out well in high school when we were always causing trouble in it.)
Yeah the car is nice and spacious, but it had little in the way of luxury. But man what a smooth ride. I would consider the Town Car to be the luxury model of the Crown Vic. I dunno, Crown Vics just never struck me as being anything too special. But what do I know?

crimson96 · Jan 15, 2004

Someone at Ford Bumped their head ...!

I'm sorry. The 2005 Mustang is a disaster. What where they thinking ????

I mean think about it:
235/55/17 wheels ???? Are they completely OUT of their MINDS???
WIDER and LOWER is what they needed. Not Narrower and taller!!!
I was thinking 235/35/18 front 265/35/18 rear (or if it must the same 245/40/18)

Solid rear axle. What the F*** !!! We want the thing to go around corners too!!! This is the biggest gripe I have always had with my Mustang, thought this would give me a reason to upgrade...

3 valves??? Why design a new head???? Why not just use the 4 valver that they used in the Mach 1 and bump the output to a good 350hp by also increasing the engine size... 5.0 or 5.4....

The dash - now this is just a personal taste thing. Looks horrible. I mean it will ONLY suit those that like the old 60's look. I HATE it.

Bottom line is - I was thinking of upgrading my 02 to an 05 but there is no serious performance increasing reason for me to do so. In fact in a number of aspects the 05 is a serious backward step.

I will now consider upgrading to a car that is designed for a serious performance driver. May have to be European.

I'd like to think I am not the only one of this opinion ...What do you all think?

R

bfrede1 · Jan 15, 2004

Oh my friend I feel so bad for you.

First, all of your points have been argued on this board for months now, although it seems like years. So, you should have done some research.

Second, you can get 255?/40?/R18's as an option.

Third, True drag racers want the solid rear axle, plus it is cheaper. Helping to keep the cost of the car down. If you want IRS get a cobra.

Forth, the three valve heads are cheaper, again helping to keep the cost of the car down. The 3v GT get 300 HP compared to 305(underrated) in the 4v Mach. Is 5 HP worth all the extra money.

Fifth, the dash, can't help you there.

So, what you are saying is that, 40 more HP, a much better chassis, better weigth distribution for not that much more money is a bad thing?

66Satellite · Jan 15, 2004

How much $$$ are the 300HP Euro cars? Kinda pricey, I think. The only Euro car I can think of that might compete with the Mustang is the BMW M3 for $50k+. For the rest, do some research on this site (you could start with the article on the new car linked from the homepage or search the threads). Since the rear was designed to be IRS compatible it will be available through the aftermarket and/or as an option soon. The 3 valve design is for upcoming emissions requirements. Put on whatever wheels you want. Most people seem to like the dash. Anyway, I'm sure Tyler will paste this into the complaint thread soon, so...

fly2low · Jan 15, 2004

The M3 is simply out of this league. You can't compare it to the current GT. Sorry. I could suggest coulple of solutions for you. First, a domestic solution. There is always the Pontiac GTO (not recommended). If you insist on going on European without breaking your bank account, there is another Ford product. Have you considered the "lowly" Volvo S60R w/ aerodynamics kit (IMO, they look nice)? 6-sp transmission. Three adjustable suspension settings. Flat 295 lb-ft torque from 1950-5250 rpm. 300HP. 0-60mph in 5.5 secs. Insurance rate as low as a TOYOTA COROLLA due to the safety measures. Not bad at $40k,eih?

If you are willing to go Japanese, there are people that will suggest you to get the Nissan 350Z, Infiniti G35 coupe/sedan, Mazda RX-8, Subaru Impreza WRX STi, or my personal fav Mitsu Evolution.

Styling is a subjective matter for you to measure. I just give you a list of cars that perform about equal or better from the current GT withing a reasonable price range.

Good luck.

Eos · Jan 15, 2004

I love the new 05...everything but the side mirrors..they need sport mirrors on it

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