The Official kiddiccarus 2007 NFL Thread

almost kickoff time wheres the rat?

Off looking for some cheese.

04DarkShadowGT said:

While it is true that Manning has always had a better recieving core, but Brady has had a 100X better defense, arguably the best coach ever and without question the best coach in the league right now, they have always had great special teams play.

Manning can only control so much, he was scoring 40 points a game most of his career because his D would give up 35.

The Patiots have had the best overall team, but imo Manning is a better QB. Sure Brady has more rings, but both careers arent over and Brady has had better overall teams, better coaching, etc. Brady can think Bilicheat for those rings because they would have won them if they had nearly any other QB back there, well except for Grossman.

I mean we could go deeper into the whole deal but Viniatieri imo was the MVP of those teams. Without his clutch foot they wouldnt have won them.

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I think you are seriously underestimating brady.. I think him and manning are just about equal, manning has a little better of a arm and brady is a little bit quicker picking apart a defense. but they are 1 and 1a as far as I am concered. You could switch both of them and notice no drop off on either team.

Anybody who watched this team before and after brady and saw the instant change when he steped into the starting job knows how good this guy is. In fact if we did not luck out and draft him ( a 6th round pick is luck in my opinion) we would not have won a single superbowl. It was a day and night difference comapred to bledsoe who was a average to slightly better than average qb.

Remember this was the same defense and same core group that bledsoe failed with. The same O-line that was thought to be awfull all of a sudden was good. That is not just coaching that is because Brady is heads and shoulders better than bledsoe was. It is the difference between a sure HOF QB and a average one.

I can't believe that all these years latter and one of the best qb ratings of all time with below average weapons that some people still think that the pats would have done anything without brady.

Sure they could have won without him, if they had peyton manning or montana in his prime, but very few QB's would have done what Brady did with that offense.

Brady had third teir receiving options for almost all of his carear except for this season. Hell the best wideout he had before was branch who in my opinion is not a top 10 WR maybe not even top 15..

Now that brady has weapons that are equal to mannings or atleast close you can get a better Idea of how good brady is.

BTW I put it the other way around. The magic hoodie may have never became great if he did not draft Brady. Take a look at Belichicks coaching record before brady comapred to after.

svttech76 said:

Anybody who watched this team before and after brady and saw the instant change when he steped into the starting job knows how good this guy is. In fact if we did not luck out and draft him ( a 6th round pick is luck in my opinion) we would not have won a single superbowl. It was a day and night difference comapred to bledsoe who was a average to slightly better than average qb.

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+1 along with the rest of the post. They won the superbowl that year, never would have happened with dubsoe.

Whos going to watch the dismantling of the saints by the Titans?

the game isnt very interesting.