Thinking about this supercharger kit

[midnightdriver]

I found this kit and was wondering what all you you thought

Vortech Mustang GT 4.6 2V 2000-2004 Supercharger TUNER Kit V-1 T-Trim (SATIN) 4FL218-150T

thanks

 

[Winters98GT]

I think the T-trim is overkill for your car. The SI-trim is more than capable of making 450rwhp, and is much quieter, and usually a couple hundred cheaper.

I have the SI on my car and love the little blower. It is a sleeper and hard to here at idle.

 

[Rejekt]

Also factor in the cost for the tune, and fuel upgrades, etc etc...

 

[midnightdriver]

I think the T-trim is overkill for your car. The SI-trim is more than capable of making 450rwhp, and is much quieter, and usually a couple hundred cheaper.

I have the SI on my car and love the little blower. It is a sleeper and hard to here at idle.

I just want some room to grow for the future. Thats why I choose the V1 T-Trim and the new V-3 self contained I worry about leaking like the prochargers.

 

[Winters98GT]

I just want some room to grow for the future. Thats why I choose the V1 T-Trim and the new V-3 self contained I worry about leaking like the prochargers.

How much room are you looking at growing? 600-800rwhp with a forged block?

 

[midnightdriver]

Also factor in the cost for the tune, and fuel upgrades, etc etc...

I know, I choose the tuner kit because I don't trusted the "canned" vortech tune on my car. I plan to use AED to do the install and tune on my car.

For fuel pump I was thinking either a focus SVT, Aviator from CJ pony parts or a 255 from MMR.

Fuel injectors I have no idea about, 42#?

 

[midnightdriver]

How much room are you looking at growing? 600-800rwhp with a forged block?

Well my dream would be to have a 5.1 forged stroker, MHS stage 3 heads and a trickflow bullit style intake manifold.

You probably talk more sense though and i could get away with the smaller V-3, however what about it being none intercooled? I would get an intercooler "power cooler" model but I don't want to put the battery in the trunk.

I would do a custom A/A but damn California thinks that creates more emissions for some stupid reason and water/meth scares me.

I did think about building my own custom tank for the A/W vortech intercooler but have to look into where i could place it.

 

[Dark04GT]

Sorry, I don't want to be a freaking debbie downer but there are two things I would do different. I would start off with it intercooled, and I would not look down the stroker route.

1)
You are going to limit yourself w/o the intercooler. The T trim could be a great idea for a big build down the road but you will be limited to sub 8-9psi until you intercool it- which defeats the purpose of the t-trim. It is easier in my mind to do all the tubing and setup the first time. I would look into a number of options for intercooling and custom setups. Or talk w/ tank here on the forums, if you want a big build... have you thought about going turbo?

2)
Everything I've read about stroking our 4.6's has been marginal at best. Yes you will have a little more displacement but from what I have heard the gains are marginal. Especially if you are running a t-trim- the power is in adding more psi. Now forging the rods and pistons is a great idea, obviously, but I would keep near stock displacement because the additional displacement doesn't yield much from what I have seen.

 

[Rejekt]

If you plan to upgrade your block and want more boost, go with the Paxton Novi 2000. Plenty of room to upgrade without having to change head units.

42lb injectors should be fine.

 

[midnightdriver]

Sorry, I don't want to be a freaking debbie downer but there are two things I would do different. I would start off with it intercooled, and I would not look down the stroker route.

1)
You are going to limit yourself w/o the intercooler. The T trim could be a great idea for a big build down the road but you will be limited to sub 8-9psi until you intercool it- which defeats the purpose of the t-trim. It is easier in my mind to do all the tubing and setup the first time. I would look into a number of options for intercooling and custom setups. Or talk w/ tank here on the forums, if you want a big build... have you thought about going turbo?

2)
Everything I've read about stroking our 4.6's has been marginal at best. Yes you will have a little more displacement but from what I have heard the gains are marginal. Especially if you are running a t-trim- the power is in adding more psi. Now forging the rods and pistons is a great idea, obviously, but I would keep near stock displacement because the additional displacement doesn't yield much from what I have seen.

I posted here to get opinions so don't be afraid to state your own. I wonder why the stroker kits don't yield very much, my goal was to increase torque but if its not worth the extra money then it will probably just got with a stoke stroke forged kit.

Believe me, I want to go turbo soo bad but my future job will keep me in California for the next 5 years or so a least so in order to pass smog I can't have a turbo.

If i was going to go turbo, I would do the hellion twin kit, now that would be fun.

 

[midnightdriver]

If you plan to upgrade your block and want more boost, go with the Paxton Novi 2000. Plenty of room to upgrade without having to change head units.

42lb injectors should be fine.

The T-Trim and the novi 2000 are the same size, hence why I picked the T trim. I wanted to do a novi, but I can't find anyone that has a kit for my year, 2000. All places say 2001 and up or 98 and down. Don't know why but that is why i changed to the vortech.

 

[Dark04GT]

This looks like a decently fitting kit:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/New-...r_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4cf3a3dfae

It is all aluminum and no battery relocation needed.

The V3 vortech is rated up to 22psi (not the most efficient the higher up you go in psi). A V3 with proper supporting mods can be good for 450-500rwhp w/ ~14psi. The 42# injectors, 255 pump, an intercooler, and the heads you described you should have the supporting mods for a good 500 rwhp. What is your hp goal?

 

[Rejekt]

The T-Trim and the novi 2000 are the same size, hence why I picked the T trim. I wanted to do a novi, but I can't find anyone that has a kit for my year, 2000. All places say 2001 and up or 98 and down. Don't know why but that is why i changed to the vortech.

Yeah, it depends on what your goals are. Novi's flow better at the higher boost levels. From what I've read the Ysi is better of a comparison with the Novi.

 

[midnightdriver]

This looks like a decently fitting kit:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/New-...r_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4cf3a3dfae

It is all aluminum and no battery relocation needed.

The V3 vortech is rated up to 22psi (not the most efficient the higher up you go in psi). A V3 with proper supporting mods can be good for 450-500rwhp w/ ~14psi. The 42# injectors, 255 pump, an intercooler, and the heads you described you should have the supporting mods for a good 500 rwhp. What is your hp goal?

That is a good deal for the intercooler but IDK if i will be able to get away with a custom A/A in California. I will have to do some more research and talk to some shops before i write it off though.

My goal? Well I want to supercharge that car and keep it at mild boost levels, around 10lbs for awhile. I want to build my car in stages and my final goal would be about 500 to 600hp.

 

[Winters98GT]

Yeah, it depends on what your goals are. Novi's flow better at the higher boost levels. From what I've read the Ysi is better of a comparison with the Novi.

Paxton and Vortech are made by the same company. Eitherone will make similar power at the same PSI.

The YSI is complete overkill and much bigger than the Paxton units being discussed.

 

[Rejekt]

Found this ....

Air Flow

Procharger:
P1 - 1200 CFM
D1 - 1400 CFM
F1A - 1650 CFM

Vortech:
S-Trim - 1000 CFM
Si-Trim - 1150CFM
SQ-Trim - 1000 CFM
T-Trim - 1200 CFM
JT-Trim - 1450 CFM
Ysi - 1600 CFM

Paxton:
Novi 1200 - 1000 CFM
Novi 1500 - 1200 CFM
Novi 2000 - 1400 CFM
Novi 2200 - 1450 CFM

1000 CFM = 680 supportable HP
1200 CFM = 825 supportable HP
1400 CFM = 925 supportable HP
1600 CFM = 1200 supportable HP

I know Paxton and Vortech are basically the same company. I found that out when I was first looking at the Vortech and Paxton units.

 

[midnightdriver]

Found this ....

Air Flow

Procharger:
P1 - 1200 CFM
D1 - 1400 CFM
F1A - 1650 CFM

Vortech:
S-Trim - 1000 CFM
Si-Trim - 1150CFM
SQ-Trim - 1000 CFM
T-Trim - 1200 CFM
JT-Trim - 1450 CFM
Ysi - 1600 CFM

Paxton:
Novi 1200 - 1000 CFM
Novi 1500 - 1200 CFM
Novi 2000 - 1400 CFM
Novi 2200 - 1450 CFM

1000 CFM = 680 supportable HP
1200 CFM = 825 supportable HP
1400 CFM = 925 supportable HP
1600 CFM = 1200 supportable HP

I know Paxton and Vortech are basically the same company. I found that out when I was first looking at the Vortech and Paxton units.

This is a nice find, and the little V3 cold meet my goals of 500hp according to this chart. Ysi are not legal in California because they are "race" superchargers but the V1 T trim is ok.

I know this has been said before but you think a KB will also reach my goal for about the same costs when all said and done? I like the way the 2.1 sounds and looks but don't like the intake elbow

The KB 2.1 cars seem slower then V1 T trim at the same hp levels. I mean KB cars seem to drop off on speed around 5000 rpms or maybe drivers are letting off?

Opinions wanted and I plan to do track days with my car in the future.

 

[darkside03gt]

I speek from some experience here because I have owned both a vortech and now a KB.

With a proper tune and a good flowing intake a kb 2.1 will support just under 500 at the wheels at 14psi. You could also buy a inlet from a guy who goes by turbocooker on modular fords that will get you very close if not just over 600 rwhp. Do a quick search on modular fords and you will see what I am talking about.

I can tell you from experience and dyno sheet that a KB 2.1 does NOT drop off at 5000 rpms. I shift my car right at 6 and it pulls hard all the way. I can and have shifted my car at 6300 and the car still pulls the whole way, my rev limiter is set at 6500 btw. If you live close to sacramento I would be more then happy to give you a ride and let you see for yourself. Yes a vortech will usually make more hp in the upper rpm range.

As far as going with a vortech I would go with a SI trim over a T trim anyday. You will not see the bennifits of a T trim unless its a HD T trim. Having an HD T trim will allow you to spin the impeller to the max. A regular T trim however is limited to the same impeller rpm as a SI trim because the bearings are actually the same. Yes the T trim will make a little more hp when you spin it to the max but its not that big of a difference. The SI trim will actually make more average HP and TQ then a T trim due to the different impeller designes. Keep in mind that you dont have to run a V3 self lubricating SI trim.

I have personally seen multiple 550+ rwhp cars running S and SI trim vortech blowers. If your goal is over 6 get a HD T trim and dont look back.

You can get away with running a custom FMIC if you know how to work things so to speak. Getting pulled over and sent to the reff can be delt with by simply removing the FMIC and running the car non intercooled and swaping the pulley. Infact you can actually get a good deal on a CX racing intercooler on eay with piping. There are plenty of people running these intercoolers making great power. There is actually a very good writeup on modular fords on how to install one.

 

[midnightdriver]

I speek from some experience here because I have owned both a vortech and now a KB.

With a proper tune and a good flowing intake a kb 2.1 will support just under 500 at the wheels at 14psi. You could also buy a inlet from a guy who goes by turbocooker on modular fords that will get you very close if not just over 600 rwhp. Do a quick search on modular fords and you will see what I am talking about.

I can tell you from experience and dyno sheet that a KB 2.1 does NOT drop off at 5000 rpms. I shift my car right at 6 and it pulls hard all the way. I can and have shifted my car at 6300 and the car still pulls the whole way, my rev limiter is set at 6500 btw. If you live close to sacramento I would be more then happy to give you a ride and let you see for yourself. Yes a vortech will usually make more hp in the upper rpm range.

As far as going with a vortech I would go with a SI trim over a T trim anyday. You will not see the bennifits of a T trim unless its a HD T trim. Having an HD T trim will allow you to spin the impeller to the max. A regular T trim however is limited to the same impeller rpm as a SI trim because the bearings are actually the same. Yes the T trim will make a little more hp when you spin it to the max but its not that big of a difference. The SI trim will actually make more average HP and TQ then a T trim due to the different impeller designes. Keep in mind that you dont have to run a V3 self lubricating SI trim.

I have personally seen multiple 550+ rwhp cars running S and SI trim vortech blowers. If your goal is over 6 get a HD T trim and dont look back.

You can get away with running a custom FMIC if you know how to work things so to speak. Getting pulled over and sent to the reff can be delt with by simply removing the FMIC and running the car non intercooled and swaping the pulley. Infact you can actually get a good deal on a CX racing intercooler on eay with piping. There are plenty of people running these intercoolers making great power. There is actually a very good writeup on modular fords on how to install one.

Thanks so much for your input since you have owned both and it is much appreciated.

I ride would be awesome, maybe sometime when I get back up north we can meet up at the racetrack or something. Currently I am by Santa Barbra and won't be back til the summer.

I have heard that KB's don't like to be spun out passed 6,000 rpms or 18,000 rpms on blower speed and according the KB you are not suppose too. On the website their tune actually turns off the fuel injects at 6k. Do you have a different tune? I plan on going to AED to get the work done, is that were you went?

Thanks and here is where i found my info

http://kennebell.net/KBWebsite/Common/pdfs/46gtTechTips.pdf

 

[darkside03gt]

KB's site does state that but I know of plenty of people who spin their blowers past 18000 without issues. I however stick to what they recomend as I dont see any benifit to over spinning the blower. I am only at 9psi right now so shifting at 6300 or so would not overspin the blower. Honestly with the broad power band the KB offers I dont see the need to spin it past 6k anyway.

Yes i went to AED in shingle springs for my dyno tune. Shaun is very conservitive when it somes to tuning but he is that way because he doesnt want to see you grenade your engine a few miles down the road. Its nothing crazy just a degree or two less timing then most people would run basically because of the crappy 91 octain we have out here.

When it comes time for you to get a tune stay the hell away from force fed up north and vendicated tuning in modesto they have both had more then a few problems. Force fed blows up engines and vendicated is just a bunch of thieves. You can actually read about what the shop owner at vendicated did to the owner of CA stangs on the site and I know of another incident with a friend of a member on this site.

Shaun can easily be found under the screen name 93pony on ca-mustangs.com. If your going to be stuck here for 5 years you may want to think about joining the site. Just about everyone over there is cool and there is little to no drama anymore. The sacramento chapter has weekly get to gethers that you can attend, I just wish they wouldnt hold them on mondays

My car is not a 1/4 mile car by any means but I would still be willing to give you a ride on some back roads I know. I was hoping that you didnt come back with "how about this weekend?" because my car is down till probably next week due to a blown radiator, damn thing was out of the garage this year for 3 days before it let go.

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions or need help with your ride.