This is crazy what the $*#@ did I do?

69Rcode_Mach1

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Okay I am trying to get this problem figured out. I put my battery in the car and almost have her ready to go. I had her outside so I figured ill give her a little rinse down and get the dust from all the sanding when I was prepping the engine bay for paint off the car. Now for the problem I went to make sure the windshield wipers worked while it was wet. Well I go and turn it and the starter engages and begins to turn the engine over. So I switch it off and then check and make sure the key works, well the key is in and it cranks over when I put it on start the way it should. Problem is that the car can now be started from two places and I have no wipers. (I recently swapped the car from a C6 and also built up the engine hoping to start her for the first time soon, also added a factory tach and rewired the clip in the back, all the guages work properly and NONE of the wires from the wiper or anything were touched I know that for a fact) Anyone heard of this problem before.

 

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does it crank the engine when you turn the key to the "ON" position?

Check your sol wire connections.

 

69Rcode_Mach1

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The key works exactly the way it should. It will crank if I try to start it. The problem is if I put the key to on or acc and then flip the wiper switch it will trigger the starter. I wired the solenoid exactly the way that it was before but to eliminate a possibility can anyone help me figure out how it should be wired. I have the positive cable from the battery hooked onto the left side and the starter cable hooked onto the right side of the solenoid. Then two wires hook to the front of it but I don't know what those wires hook to.

 

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Are they the ones with large O ring ends?
they go to the pos side of the sol,(left side)

 

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Here's an idea. Leave it the way it is, but figure out how to disable "Start". Then, you have a really trick hidden starter. No one would ever think to turn on the wipers to start the engine. Just don't drive in the rain.

 

69Rcode_Mach1

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I know I thought that would be an awesome idea also. Problem is where I live I have to have safety inspections so the wipers gotta work. I will try switching the two wires on the starter solenoid and see how that works since there is only two. I don't know what the wires on there are for. I will update you guys.

 

6Stang7

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so you can have it in the acc or on and it wont crank, but if you turn the wipes on it will? sounds like you have a short in the wire itself.

 

69Rcode_Mach1

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well it shouldn't crank but when i flip the key farther to ignition then it will crank. The key works perfectly normal. The wiper switch operates like the switch should it won't crank with the wiper switch unless the key is flipped onto on, or acc then i flip the wiper switch and then it will crank with that. I have two cranking options and no wipers you see what Im saying.

 

pabear89

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Well the two wires to the sol are for power to crank and temp Ign. while cranking.

So you have a pinched wire in the dash somewhere,
the wiper power to (prob low speed) has connected with your keyed power wire to your sol.

you can trace that one wire thru your netural saftey switch too another possiblity.

PB

 

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My wife's old 80 Pontiac Grand Prix used to do **** like this. Slam the doors and the radio would come on. Turn the radio off and get the dome lights.............. Blow the horn and the A/C would come on :damnit:

 

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Try tracing the "start" wire from your "S"(start) terminal on the solenoid to your ignition switch until you find something connected. This wire should have nothing spliced into it.

 

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When switching to the manual from the C6 you didn't by chance get the neutral safety switch wiring somehow crossed with the wiper circuit did you? They have similar plugs and are in the same area on the firewall.

 

69Rcode_Mach1

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I don't think so, I will investigate that more because that is really the only wiring that could have possibly affected it. There was another socket like that one and I tried switching them around but the car didn't start at all. I will keep on testing.

 

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69Rcode_Mach1 said:

There was another socket like that one and I tried switching them around but the car didn't start at all.

Click to expand...

Those two sockets are the neutral safety and reverse light switch.

 

69Rcode_Mach1

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The 1969's have the reverse lights and neutral safety switch in a giant pigtail with two male ends and two females inside then it mates with one of two corresponding pigtails hanging on the firewall. They are not separate harnesses speaking of which I need to hook up my reverse lights.

 

krash kendall

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Sorry, on the earlier cars they are two identical plugs. I should know that barely any of the details other than appearance carry through all years.

 

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I just think your car is possesed. that is the weirdest thing i have ever heard! I dont know how your wires would short together like that, but im sure its in the dash somewhere. they must be pinched. the wiper circuit isnt even related to the starter circuit.

 

69Rcode_Mach1

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I know that is what has me shocked. I redid wiring in the clip that hooks to the cluster, and none of thosewires have nothing to do with anything other than guages and lighting for them. I reconnected all the other wires back the way they were before. Now there is one thing, my voltage regulator has 4 metal tabs that connect into it - - - - In a pattern like the one you see. The one farthest to the left connect to some sort of small cylinder looked like a condensor you would find in a distributor. The wire broke due to old age, now the quest is figuring out what that thing is so i can get a new one and hook it up that is the only difference in the wiring there.

 

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on the solinoid, try disconnecting the small wire on the right and see if the car still starts with the wiper switch. I know on my 68 the wire was brown. With many sorts of aftermarket ignition switch there is 12 volts going to the brown wire which didn't used to be there, and it can find ground through the solinoids ground path to the sheetmetal of the inner fender. if you have an aftermarket ignition you no longer need that wire anymore anyways. in any case it can't hurt to try real quick.

 

69Rcode_Mach1

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I tried it and it didn't do anything. I have factory ignition save for an msd blaster 2 coil and ford racing plug wires.