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This is How You Know If You Can Heel Toe

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CobraRed_96_GT

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bdcardinal said:
true and there are situations where you dont downshift. like when im at buttonwillow, im in the same gear most of hte way around. also on some corners where you have elevation changes, doign a quick heel-toe will change the balance just right.
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yeah, i meant slowing down by downshifting and not rev matching, allowing the tranny to slow the car then it also allows the revs to spike up for the apex follow through - a common technique obviously. I see what ur sayin tho
 

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Wow, I must be completely tarded when it comes to auto-x. I didn't see him do anything "special" with his feet in those videos besides the occasional few times when he had his foot on the brake and tapped the gas a little bit. I guess I don't see the significance in that really. To me it would seem equally beneficial to brake hard before the turn and power through as much as the car will handle. Maybe I just don't get the actual physics of it. /shrug
 

SRT Handz

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CobraRed_96_GT said:
yeah, so hard that the brake wore out your sole. Sounds like the people who always brake for no reason in front of me If your rev matching in a canyon then why you downshifting if you dont wanna slow down? The tranny worx fine slowing you down ya know, or is this to keep you in the powerband for the post-apex? Only reason i ask is cuz people who rev match for no reason crack me up
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the brake didnt wear out the shoes....the gas did.


when you drive a road course you need to go all out on striaght lines....then brake hard and while using the ball of your right foot to brake. the to change gears your use your right heel (while Still Braking) to hit the gas to rev match the gear. This is the only proper way to downshift. Rev-matching reduces the risk of the rear end popping out and puts less stress on the clutch. In reality you should revmatch every downstiht. Just letting out the clutch an nt revmatching is SO HORRIBLE to the clutch.

If you wanna know how to 'Heel-Toe" from the master do what i did, Watch The "Drift Bible" 30 Times
 

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SRT Handz said:
If you wanna know how to 'Heel-Toe" from the master do what i did, Watch The "Drift Bible" 30 Times
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Tsuchiya uses this to drift ....
 

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SRT Handz said:
the brake didnt wear out the shoes....the gas did.


when you drive a road course you need to go all out on striaght lines....then brake hard and while using the ball of your right foot to brake. the to change gears your use your right heel (while Still Braking) to hit the gas to rev match the gear. This is the only proper way to downshift. Rev-matching reduces the risk of the rear end popping out and puts less stress on the clutch. In reality you should revmatch every downstiht. Just letting out the clutch an nt revmatching is SO HORRIBLE to the clutch.

If you wanna know how to 'Heel-Toe" from the master do what i did, Watch The "Drift Bible" 30 Times
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hmm, i use the end of my foot to blip the throttle and my heel to continue braking
 

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DTNODYA said:
Tsuchiya uses this to drift ....
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yep, watch any video with Tsuchiya
 

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SRT Handz said:
yep, watch any video with Tsuchiya
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lol .. I have. The guy is amazing!
 

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I have a pair of these and they are great (running through the gears on curvy, hilly roads such as Carmel Valley road from Hwy 1 to Hwy 101 or for everyday activities such as walking).
http://laguna-seca.stores.yahoo.net/pilotishoe.html

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CobraRed_96_GT said:
hmm, i use the end of my foot to blip the throttle and my heel to continue braking
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Same.

I don't see how that wore out your shoe like that, unless you were only catching that outter lip of your shoe on the gas. Looks like just a bad shoe to me.

Yall are all weird for having driving shoes. I heel-toe in big ass steel toe work boots, slick dress shoes, and every day tennis shoes... bitches. I think that's the real test on whether or not you can heel-toe downshift.

To answer the people who don't understand this move: if you throw it in a lower gear and just drop the clutch while turning, you're likely going to lock up your rear tires for a moment, ruining the whole turn. This is assuming you are going all out... if your not, you'll just get this weird jerk-back effect that doesn't feel too good for your clutch/tranny.

As you dive in the turn, hard on the brakes, you shift out of gear, as the shifter handle travels through neutral to whatever gear you want to be in, quickly let out the clutch and hit the gas with the part of your foot not on the brake (i prefer to brake with my heel, gas with my outter toes). Push the clutch back in, put it in gear, and quickly let the clutch back out.

A lot of people don't do the in-neutral bit, and just hit the gas while the clutch is in. I used to do this... I find it works a lot better my way. This is the way my barber taught me how to do it. He's no Japanese drift king, but he's a veteran of the twisties, been going to open track days all his life, in everything from MG's to Porshe's.
 
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My Adidas Chicanes are getting worn out from heel-toe...

 
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CobraRed_96_GT said:
yeah, i meant slowing down by downshifting and not rev matching, allowing the tranny to slow the car then it also allows the revs to spike up for the apex follow through - a common technique obviously. I see what ur sayin tho
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good way to dominate your clutch...
 

speedfreak98r

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SRT Handz said:
i think once i get my piloti's, i am going to a heel toe instructional video for all you.

i am the heel toe king man dude
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Care to make a friendly wager?
 
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speedfreak98r said:
Care to make a friendly wager?
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+1
 

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speedfreak98r said:
Care to make a friendly wager?
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do you have a camera?...shall we heel toe video battle for the SN Heel-toe king man dude?
 

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SRT Handz said:
i think once i get my piloti's, i am going to a heel toe instructional video for all you.

i am the heel toe king man dude
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no, you're just a dork.
 

speedfreak98r

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SRT Handz said:
do you have a camera?...shall we heel toe video battle for the SN Heel-toe king man dude?
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I think I'm going to buy one this weekend..Sounds like a good idea to me.
 
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SRT Handz said:
do you have a camera?...shall we heel toe video battle for the SN Heel-toe king man dude?
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maybe im confused.. but why the hell do you keep using the term "Heel-toe king man dude"


you have man and dude right next to each other, wtf?


oh yeah.. and btw.. Corners > Mustangs
 

SRT Handz

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WillDuhhBeast said:
maybe im confused.. but why the hell do you keep using the term "Heel-toe king man dude"


you have man and dude right next to each other, wtf?


oh yeah.. and btw.. Corners > Mustangs
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don't you know...the battle is on for the Heel-Toe King Man Dude!!!
 

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geoffsgt said:
Same.

I don't see how that wore out your shoe like that, unless you were only catching that outter lip of your shoe on the gas. Looks like just a bad shoe to me.

Yall are all weird for having driving shoes. I heel-toe in big ass steel toe work boots, slick dress shoes, and every day tennis shoes... bitches. I think that's the real test on whether or not you can heel-toe downshift.

To answer the people who don't understand this move: if you throw it in a lower gear and just drop the clutch while turning, you're likely going to lock up your rear tires for a moment, ruining the whole turn. This is assuming you are going all out... if your not, you'll just get this weird jerk-back effect that doesn't feel too good for your clutch/tranny.

As you dive in the turn, hard on the brakes, you shift out of gear, as the shifter handle travels through neutral to whatever gear you want to be in, quickly let out the clutch and hit the gas with the part of your foot not on the brake (i prefer to brake with my heel, gas with my outter toes). Push the clutch back in, put it in gear, and quickly let the clutch back out.

A lot of people don't do the in-neutral bit, and just hit the gas while the clutch is in. I used to do this... I find it works a lot better my way. This is the way my barber taught me how to do it. He's no Japanese drift king, but he's a veteran of the twisties, been going to open track days all his life, in everything from MG's to Porshe's.
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+1, double clutching FTW. This takes lots of practice

RoadconeTuning said:
good way to dominate your clutch...
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at first i didnt know we were talking ballz out Auto-x, i wouldt stright drop in gear after WOT
 
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SRT Handz said:
...... ...... :SNSign:

i am always suprised how many people do not even have a clue how to heel toe downshift
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Shooooot, I didn't even know what it was. Check out my profile, I'm from Kansas; the roads are straight here everywhere you go!

I'd love to see some vid's up!!
 
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