Those with long tubes, come in

BlownStangGT · Jun 6, 2005

Before to long Ill be installing some new MAC Longtubes on my car, from what Ive learned, you have to usually change the starter for a mini starter cause it will most likely burn up from the heat off the long tubes, has anyone not changed thier starter and done:

a. Heat wrap on the headers to keep them cooler down at the collectors?

b. Heat wrap/sheild on the starter or to block the starter fromt he headers?

The cars a '92 notch aod, I just wanna make sure I take care of things righ thte first time before I put them in, Ill be mating the long tubes to a pypes off road x-pipe

stang22 · Jun 6, 2005

I would only wrap the headers if they don't have any protective coating on them already, like ceramic or jet-hot. They will more than likely rust after you wrap them up, but it will help with the temps. I would also buy a heat shield and wrap the starter to prevent the dreaded hot soak starter kill. I never did on mine, but it is starting to take its time when the engine is hot. Good luck.

Tim

jb89coupe · Jun 6, 2005

I'm pretty sure 92's have the mini-starter from the factory..? Anyway, I have mac longtubes on my 89, original starter, no header wrap, and no problems for 2 seasons now.

Jason 302 · Jun 6, 2005

I ran BBK ceramic LT's all last year, with the stock 12 year old starter. I did pick up a new one over the winter though, old one worked but had a rattle when you picked it up and was...well...old. As long as you have a gap in between for some air, it should be alright. I'm sure my ceramic coating helps a lil as well.

stang22 · Jun 6, 2005

My headers are jet-hot coated, but my previous ones were not. Mine is the stock starter also, so I guess I was lucky for it to last as long as it did. It turns over fine when hot, just kind of sluggish...

Tim

jbj454 · Jun 6, 2005

I have MAC Longtubes. I also have a 92 notch. My car came with the mini starter. I have not had any starter problems what so ever. Go for it....

BaXTeR3221 · Jun 6, 2005

I have my headers heatwrapped and i haven't had any problems yet, but the car hasn't been driven enough to really know for sure. I seem to remember michael yount made some kind of heat shield, but i could be wrong.

neikoblu · Jun 6, 2005

Man I never thought of that before. I always wondered why my car was hard to start when the car was hot.

I would only wrap the headers if they don't have any protective coating on them already, like ceramic or jet-hot. They will more than likely rust after you wrap them up, but it will help with the temps. I would also buy a heat shield and wrap the starter to prevent the dreaded hot soak starter kill. I never did on mine, but it is starting to take its time when the engine is hot. Good luck.

bobbyd · Jun 6, 2005

can this problem also happen with shorty hedders or just LT's?

im just wondering

281pony · Jun 6, 2005

sorry OT, sent you a PM neikoblu.

about the shorty headers, i dont think they are a problem. they are quite abit further away from the starter, i have them and never any problems. hottest of days and it cranks the same. no wrap, they are ceramic coated though.

bobbyd · Jun 6, 2005

88SC_GT said:
sorry OT, sent you a PM neikoblu.

about the shorty headers, i dont think they are a problem. they are quite abit further away from the starter, i have them and never any problems. hottest of days and it cranks the same. no wrap, they are ceramic coated though.

cool also on yours are they very close to the tire/steering little bar?

281pony · Jun 6, 2005

the steering rack? yes, they are pretty close, maybe 1/2" or so.

i can throw them off and on though without problem with a completely assembled engine otherwise and not have any clearance problems.

Stang89LXCPE · Jun 6, 2005

If you have already bought the headers....Are they specific for an Auto....I had a set on a car that was for a 5 speed and they were mangled to death to fit the aod. Food for thought. I don't know if mac makes an aod specific header. I run BBK 1 5/8 longtubes and they fit awesome, but it is a T-5 too. I'm pretty sure that BBk doesn't make and AOD specific header....Good luck with the Mac's. i've owned two sets and neither of them fit worth a damn...

Never had a starter issue with the stock starters on 89,92, 86 and another 86.

meangreen92lx · Jun 6, 2005

92's have the mini starter already. No problems with Mac long tubes on my 92 LX

BlownStangGT · Jun 6, 2005

Alright, so i got the mini starter, which I thouhgt I might...Yes, MAC does make a specific long tube header, Im gonna be picking them up from cj pony parts in a couple mont5hs, so I just wanted to cover my grounds for it

Stang89LXCPE · Jun 6, 2005

Good Luck with the install. i hope you have better luck installing them than I did.

Steve

Ranchero5.0 · Jun 6, 2005

Ditto that. I'd run BBK shorties instaead of any MAC individual flange header. God the directions should say bang your head against the wall as the first step, then smash you finger with a hammer as the second so you are in the proper mood for the install...

Jamie

89MustangGX · Jun 6, 2005

I think Chevys are more prone to heat soaked starters than Fords -- can't say I've ever really seen a problem on these cars.

stang22 · Jun 6, 2005

89MustangGX said:
I think Chevys are more prone to heat soaked starters than Fords -- can't say I've ever really seen a problem on these cars.

The previous headers I owned on my old setup were a lot closer to the starter than my BBK LT's are and I think it may have taken it's toll on it. Just slugish when restarting after driving it around for a while. My families race cars (Fords) suffer from it as well, or used to.

Tim

BlownStangGT · Jun 6, 2005

Ranchero5.0 said:
Ditto that. I'd run BBK shorties instaead of any MAC individual flange header. God the directions should say bang your head against the wall as the first step, then smash you finger with a hammer as the second so you are in the proper mood for the install...

Jamie

well its the fact that no one makes long tubes for a auto at all, bbk's wont fit at all so I d rather get them, but no can do

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