Torker II vs PP Typhoon
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nmcgrawj
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nmcgrawj
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I wasnt focusing on carb vs. efi....the style of the intake was my point. What long runner intake that is a "beginner" do you know of that can compete with a carb style intake? I dont have any data on the Torker II but short runner style vs. long runner....the torker has gotta perform better up top. Obviously the long runner will provide better low end torque.
The typhoon is similar to the Eddy RPM right? And many argue that its not even that good due to the poor finish. Ed Curtis said without work, the typhoon isnt much better, if at all, than the explorer intake.
Is this for the 410w?
The typhoon is similar to the Eddy RPM right? And many argue that its not even that good due to the poor finish. Ed Curtis said without work, the typhoon isnt much better, if at all, than the explorer intake.
Is this for the 410w?
yeah i'm thinking about upgrading some stuff, but want to make sure my hood still closes
i know the super victor will flow better, but the range on that is like 4000-8500 or something crazy like that
check this thing out ... pretty cool:
Professional Products 70213 - Professional Products EFI Snorkel Assemblies - Overview - SummitRacing.com
i know the super victor will flow better, but the range on that is like 4000-8500 or something crazy like that
check this thing out ... pretty cool:
Professional Products 70213 - Professional Products EFI Snorkel Assemblies - Overview - SummitRacing.com
If you get rid of the long runner intake, your car is not going to idle as well, or be as streetable. Stopsign32v just mentioned in his thread that he removed the box style intake because it wasn't streetable. Something to be considered given you seem to be real concerned with street manners.
Kurt
Kurt
nmcgrawj
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Something tells me that a 331 is quite a bit different than a 410.
Chris, get on hardcore50 or somewhere else where people actually have the combos you want. The last thing you should do is apply 331 logic for your monster.
actually motors as a whole are very similar. short runner intakes will perform better in higher RPMs and not as well at low RPMs(street driving) whereas long runner intakes have great low end torque but suffer some with high end HP(in other words great street manners)
if you want a racecar short runner intakes are great if the motor is designed for high revving power. if you want a great street car i would go long runner because you wont be using really high RPMs for normal street driving
if you want a racecar short runner intakes are great if the motor is designed for high revving power. if you want a great street car i would go long runner because you wont be using really high RPMs for normal street driving
nmcgrawj
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So your parts to promote low end power in a 302/331 will be similar to the parts in a 410?
Yes the intake will promote power in different areas, but a 331 will need a lot more help down low than a huge 410 stroker. I just dont see how you even discuss 302 parts on a 351 stroker? Isnt that the lesson that stopsign32v tried to teach everyone?
I honestly dont even see why a typhoon is anywhere close to a 410w to begin with. Unless it was in a huge truck that needed to pull trees out of the ground...a mustang doesnt need that small of a long runner intake when you're working with those cubes.
People on stangnet love to talk about a daily driver/low end power/street car....but seriously. How much power do you really need down low for a street car? Doesnt the definition of a street car take out the tools necessary to provide the traction to plant the power? And if you cant plant all that power, whats the point? Unless its "cool" to spin the tires through 4th gear in a huge stroker
Sometimes i think guys are so scared to protect the sacred low end power that they truly dont take advantage of the parts they have. Its a 410 windsor....its GOING to have torque. I have never read a thread where someone said "I dont have any low end power in my 400+ cubic inch motor"...then to have someone come along and say "Well put a cobra,explorer,typhoon, eddy rpm intake on it".
Again, i understand stopsign's 331 issues. But i'd just like to see where problems with a huge stroker were solved by running 302 parts.
nmcgrawj
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Also, since "motors as a whole are similar"....
what is the runner length of a Ls1 intake? How about a 4.6 intake? I dont know the answers. Im just asking because from the looks of their designs....they are a lot shorter than our style of long runner intake.
Chris, you could have went with a stroed LSX engine...made a but load of power and still had MORE clearance than a stock 5.0 due to their intake design.
All that to say that the LSx boys on the dark side seem (at first glance) to have shorter runners than our cars. And when they upgrade...I find it hard to believe that an answer is a smaller intake with longer runners.
Then again, all this depends on the path the air actually takes in each motor. Im just saying....throw out the 302 parts unless....its a 302.
what is the runner length of a Ls1 intake? How about a 4.6 intake? I dont know the answers. Im just asking because from the looks of their designs....they are a lot shorter than our style of long runner intake.
Chris, you could have went with a stroed LSX engine...made a but load of power and still had MORE clearance than a stock 5.0 due to their intake design.
All that to say that the LSx boys on the dark side seem (at first glance) to have shorter runners than our cars. And when they upgrade...I find it hard to believe that an answer is a smaller intake with longer runners.
Then again, all this depends on the path the air actually takes in each motor. Im just saying....throw out the 302 parts unless....its a 302.
this is not a 100% daily driver, i have 2 other cars i can drive if i want to, a fairlane and a minivan
i think the cubes gives me enough torque down low, i want to start revving it a little
i can probably tune it to where the manners are still very good
i am also going to to put my 3.73 gears back in. they will get me through the lower rpms pretty fast
i am also seriously considering an XE 282 or XE 274 cam and link bar lifters
i may have to get 42# injectors again ... if so, so be it
i may get this torker ii for $50.
i will also get an accufab TB that matches the snorkel i get, probably 90mm
i think the cubes gives me enough torque down low, i want to start revving it a little
i can probably tune it to where the manners are still very good
i am also going to to put my 3.73 gears back in. they will get me through the lower rpms pretty fast
i am also seriously considering an XE 282 or XE 274 cam and link bar lifters
i may have to get 42# injectors again ... if so, so be it
i may get this torker ii for $50.
i will also get an accufab TB that matches the snorkel i get, probably 90mm
Regardless of displacement, a short runner intake is going to give you poorer idle quality and driveabilty. BlackVert seems to be more concerned with driveabilty than peak power. 410cid vs 331 cid has nothing to do with it. LXx engines have longer runners than they appear to; at least 10" from the common chamber to the valve. The runner runs over the top to the other side of the common chamber. 4.6 engines have retarded long runners.
Kurt
Kurt
nmcgrawj
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Thanks for the break down of the lsx and 4.6 intakes. "retarded long" means they dwarf a 302 long runner?
410 vs. 331 has nothing to do with your low end power? Be more specific for us kurt. Is a short runner intake going to make the car stall? Impossible to tune? What exactly will happen that is not able to be tuned out? This is the first time i've read that a short runner = poor driveability and poor idle quality. Please educate me.
And even if some how it made it that bad....thats no excuse to put on a 302 intake IMO. And the last thing I want to happen is for some kid to come along and read this thread and think....thats the right intake to run.
i am also very curious about the poor idle quality and drivability claim. please elaborate the problems and the reasons why they cannot be helped with tuning
after all, it is still EFI (not a carb), so it would still be better than a carbed setup
after all, it is still EFI (not a carb), so it would still be better than a carbed setup
rj95svt
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I don't get the short runner will idle poor and have bad driveability thing. I have never had a longer runner intake than a victor till I started messing with 5.0's I personally would take a weind xcellerator or a torker II over a long runner any day. A carb intake will make more power than a efi long runner intakes.
I had a .030 cleveland with 2.19, 1.71 valves, a single plain intake, 750dp and I can tell you it had plenty of torque. If you put in a cam designed for the combo it will be fine. I personally think long runner intakes are the worst thing to happen to mustangs.
That's just my opinion though do what you want.
p.s. Edelbrock makes several different height tb elbows for carb style intakes.
I had a .030 cleveland with 2.19, 1.71 valves, a single plain intake, 750dp and I can tell you it had plenty of torque. If you put in a cam designed for the combo it will be fine. I personally think long runner intakes are the worst thing to happen to mustangs.
That's just my opinion though do what you want.
p.s. Edelbrock makes several different height tb elbows for carb style intakes.
see, this is what i hate about ebay ...
it was listed for $50 with a buy it now of $100
so i bid on it (max bid of $120) and it sat there for like 3 days with only my 1 bid on it. then at the last second i was outbid.
i guess i should have just done the buy it now and been done with it
sigh
it was listed for $50 with a buy it now of $100
so i bid on it (max bid of $120) and it sat there for like 3 days with only my 1 bid on it. then at the last second i was outbid.
i guess i should have just done the buy it now and been done with it
sigh
No, that's not what I meant. The 410 will make more low end torque than the 331 obviously. But keep in mind, the only real difference between the engines is the stroke. A 410 is not equally bigger than a 331 in all dimensions. But that's besides the point. What I am saying, is that a short runner intake is going to have a lower intake velocity when the air flow is low, like at idle or low rpm. The air flow at idle on a 410 vs a 331 is approximately the same, so it's not going to make a difference how big the engine is. A short runner intake almost always hurts your idle quality and low end performance. If that were not true, Ford would have not designed an intake with long runners in the first place. How much of that can be fixed with tuning is debatable, but the principles of the intake don't change. I guess you could jack the timing a lot, and dump fuel in there to compensate for it. You know, like a carb does.
Kurt
99FiveOh
10 Year Member
Are you nuts! It is because of that long runner intake that we could take a stock Fox 5.0 and run in the 13's with it. It's because of that long runner intake (and the heads of course to a certain extent) that we could put 3 or 4 car lengths on a equally equipped Z28 without a problem.
The long runner intake design is perfect for a street driven 302. A stroked out Windsor is a completely different animal. It requires much more volume of air to feed it.
I'm sure Chris was probably on some kind of budget when he built his motor and the Typhoon has a very nice appeal to it when you compare it's 400$ pricetag to that of, say, a Trick Flow R intake at 700$.
just my .02
99FiveOh
10 Year Member
you NEVER bid on anything on Ebay until the last minute.
These people selling on Ebay get multiple accounts setup or have friends/family bid at the last minute hoping that you have a higher max-bid. And in your case they called it right on.
You always wait until about 30 seconds to go, then throw out your max bid. This won't give the seller much time to counter with a higher bid. He might get a couple bids in by the end, but won't have time to "feel out" what he/she thinks your highest bid is.
