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Ram5773

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I have a Automatic 02 Gt that I have 3.73 gears for. I also have a Superchips 1725 tuner to adjust the pressure and shift points but the tuner does not have a adjustment for converter lock up.

When I in stall the gears, is it going to damage my auto tranny by not having the lock up for the converter changed after installing the gears?? Can you guys school me on the in's and out's of this?

I searched for this answer before asking and didn't find anything that addressed this .


Thanks for your help
Ram
 
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Your gas mileage will suffer if the TC doesn't lock.
 

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The PCM/EEC knows the turbine speed of the converter and the input shaft speed of the trans. This combined with throttle position, engine load, vehicle speed, and gear selection, the TCC will be engaged or disengaged. The absolute only thing that will effect proper lockup is if you do not calibrate for the changed rear axle ratio.

The PCM converts the OSS (VSS) information to 8000 pulses per mile, based on a tire and axle ratio conversion factor. You'll just need to make sure you update VID block with the correct tire size and rear axle ratio.
 
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Will the gears screw up the tranny as far as the lock up side of things? There is a cooler on the car, 15000BTU. How does the tranny sense when to lock the converter up?

Sorry for all the questions but if this is going to screw up my trans, I'll ditch the gears. I don't really want to get rid of the tuner cause I won't get anything for it.

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As long as everything was functioning properly before the gear swap, your TCC will still lockup. You just need to make sure to update your tire size/rear axle ratio in the VID of the PCM so that lockup will occur at the correct time.

The PCM/EEC compares the turbine speed to the input shaft speed and they need to be within a certain percentage of each other as calculated by the TCC strategy dependant upon the following: As long as you are under a certain throttle angle (this changes as the strategy changes), over a certain speed, in at least 3rd gear, and under a certain load, the TCC will be commanded to engage.

I am not positive, but from my tuning experience, I have seen ECT and trans temp data also influence the TCC lockup strategy, so I suspect that they are also a factor used to control the TCC.

When the TCC is commanded to engage, the ECM completes a ground circuit to energize the TCC solenoid. That moves a check ball in the fluid line between the front pump and the stator. This allows the TCC to apply when hydraulic pressure is sufficient.

The older converters didn't use PWM (Pulse Width Modulation), and they also suffered from turbine wash really bad because of the turbine design and front cover design, and increased rotating mass of the turbine, stator, sprag, and clutch assembly.

Older technology converters were also using clutches that were not designed to work well with a technology called "Pulse Width Modulation". This is a technology which does not allow the converter clutch to lock up 100%, but instead just 99.5% locked. Newer converters have special clutches made from a hybrid carbon-fiber that is designed to work well with PWM OBD-II (some older Ford OBD-I) systems on cars. The PWM system was engineered to assist in smoothing out power transfer from the motor to the trans by allowing that 0.5% percent slippage in the lock-up clutch. It also makes the lockup less noticeable.

So basically with these revised torque converters for the PWM systems, they are better suited for higher stalls on the street due to their design which allows for a more efficient transfer of low RPM power.
 
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You will be fine! Like Laser was saying as long as the gears are calibrated for the ECU you will be fine. However, you can bennifit greatly with a properly tuned converter and manipulate the lock up schedules.........Just from locking the converter earlier in 2nd my car netted 3mph and .3 tenths..........not including chainging the rpm shift points..........You would be surprised how consistant and how much more your tranny can be tuned..........

"ED"
 
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Thanks for the schooling, gears are going in this week end. I'll set my shift points and gear selection through the tuner and enjoy. I was hoping that this would be the outcome.

Thanks again Laser Red 01 and Yellow2002 Gt

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